It’s been called the cybersecurity poverty line. Many organizations just don’t have the money to afford a skilled cybersecurity team to protect themselves from hackers. But there’s a movement afoot to change that dynamic through cybersecurity clinics that can support organizations in need. The Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity at the University of California, Berkeley, is at the forefront of developing cyber clinics and its executive director, Ann Cleveland, talks about the center’s approach with Safe Mode host Mike Farrell. CyberScoop senior editor Elias Groll also joins the show to discuss his recent trip to DEF CON where he witnessed hackers competing to outsmart AI models as well as a parade of furries.