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  • Every Autism Parent Has a Phone. This AI Turns It Into Your Child's Health Dashboard | Elizabeth Horn

    Autism AI is no longer a concept. It is an app on your phone.

    Elizabeth Horn spent 28 years collecting data on her autistic daughter, Sophia. She filled binders, tracked seizures by hand, and installed sensors in her daughter's classroom. Along the way, she discovered that CO2 levels triggered seizures, that resistance training brought meltdowns to zero, and that 87% of autistic kids have motor disorders that often get misread as intellectual disability.

    Now Elizabeth and her team at the 2M Foundation have built Count AI, a free AI agent that lives on your phone, stores your child's entire health history, finds patterns no human brain could catch, and has already predicted seizures a month in advance. In this episode, she walks through exactly how it works, what families can start doing today, and why she believes parent-driven data collection will transform autism care for everyone, not just those with resources.

    Whether your child was diagnosed yesterday or twenty years ago, this conversation shows you what is possible when families own their data and put AI to work on it.

    Topics covered: autism AI tools, seizure prediction, autism apps and trackers, CO2 and seizure triggers, exercise as medicine for autism meltdowns, motor disorders in autism, presuming competence, autism gut health, microbiome testing, wearable health data, the MOVE initiative, brain-computer interfaces, and what to do the day you get an autism diagnosis.

    Guest: Elizabeth Horn, Founder of the 2M Foundation, Co-Founder of the Autism Impact Fund, documentary filmmaker (Finding the Words, In Our Own Hands), and published researcher on motor function in autism.

    LINKS & RESOURCES:

    ๐Ÿ”— Count AI: https://www.thecountaiproject.com/

    ๐Ÿ”— 2M Foundation: https://2mfoundation.org/

    ๐Ÿ”— Finding the Words documentary: https://youtu.be/fYu5jOpq7dA?si=hzNUZZFPGgDIaDpw ๐Ÿ”— In Our Own Hands documentary: https://docuseek2.com/bf-iooh

    ๐Ÿ”— Arome Biosciences (microbiome testing): https://www.arome-science.com/swipe-stool-collection-kits/

    ๐Ÿ”— The Autism Revolution by Martha Herbert: https://amzn.to/4moiJUY

    ๐Ÿ”— Creative Destruction of Medicine by Eric Topol: https://amzn.to/3PXkoEF

    ๐Ÿ”— MOVE Initiative: https://2mfoundation.org/initiatives/

    ๐Ÿ”— Anat Baniel Method: https://www.anatbanielmethod.com/

    ๐Ÿ”— Count AI Webinar (April 22, 2026 | 2:00-2:45 PM PST): email [email protected] to register

    ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ Listen on Podcast Platforms: https://biohackingautism.captivate.fm/listen

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism. Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show. Connect with Nadia:

    Website: biohackautism.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nadiaelkhatib

    Instagram: @biohackingautism



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    1 hr 20 min
  • How We Fixed Severe Anxiety in Autism: MCAS, Vagus Nerve, Selank, and the Full Toolkit

    Anxiety in autism is not a behavioral problem; it's physiological. And until you understand that, nothing else moves forward.

    In this solo episode, Nadia breaks down the biological root causes of severe anxiety in autism, shares her 21-year-old son Jimmy's full story, and opens up about her own health crisis as a caregiver. This isn't theoretical. It's the real protocol that transformed their daily lives, told with the honesty and specificity that only comes from living it.

    You'll learn why Jimmy's paralyzing anxiety episodes were driven by mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS), hidden food sensitivities, and environmental triggers like synthetic fragrances. You'll hear how Nadia was diagnosed with inappropriate sinus tachycardia (IST) and rebuilt her own nervous system without surgery or medication, taking her HRV from single digits to the 50s. And you'll walk away with a complete toolkit for autism anxiety treatment: supplements, peptides, vagal toning devices, limbic system retraining programs, and the emergency protocol they use when anxiety spikes in real time.

    This episode is still an ongoing story. Jimmy is doing so much better, but this is an active battle. The family continues working on root causes every day while managing the anxiety in real time. There's no neat ending here, just real progress.

    Whether you're a parent watching your child suffer through anxiety you can't explain, an autistic adult navigating your own biology, or a caregiver whose own nervous system is running on fumes, this episode delivers root causes, fast-acting tools, and long-term protocols you can start using today.

    Topics covered: anxiety in autism, autism anxiety symptoms and treatment, physiological vs. behavioral anxiety, MCAS and histamine reactions, food sensitivities (sugar, cocoa, high-histamine foods), environmental triggers (mold, fragrances, seasonal allergens), Graves' disease and thyroid dysfunction, nervous system retraining and dysregulation, vagus nerve stimulation and vagal toning, autism fight or flight, Primal Trust limbic system retraining, DNRS, Gupta Program, magnolia bark extract (DHHB), taurine, glycine, electrolytes, oxytocin nasal spray, Selank (subcutaneous), Quicksilver Peace Serum, Apollo Neuro, Sensai, BrainTap, blood sugar monitoring, HRV training, supplements for autism anxiety, strength training for anxiety, caregiver nervous system regulation, and the family-wide protocol.

    All supplements and resources mentioned are linked in the show notes.

    Popular Topics Include: Autism Anxiety, Anxiety in Autism, Autism Anxiety Treatment, Autism and Social Anxiety, High Functioning Autism and Anxiety, MCAS and Anxiety, Vagus Nerve Anxiety, Autism Fight or Flight, Supplements for Autism Anxiety, Nervous System Retraining, Autism Anxiety Symptoms, Autism and Anxiety in Adults, Autism and Anxiety in Children, Selank for Anxiety, Functional Medicine Autism, MCAS Autism, What Triggers Autism Meltdowns, Caregiver Anxiety, HRV and Anxiety, Vagus Nerve Stimulation Autism, Biohacking Autism

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism. Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show. Connect with Nadia:

    Website: biohackautism.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nadiaelkhatib

    Instagram: @biohackingautism



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    47 min
  • He Blocked One Molecule and Reversed Autism Symptoms in Mice with Prof. Haitham Amal | Autism Research

    Autism research breakthrough: Professor Haitham Amal, Ph.D. from Harvard and Hebrew University discovered that a single overactive molecule in the brain may drive autism symptoms, and blocking it reversed those symptoms in animal models. Nadia Elkhatib sits down with Prof. Amal to break down what this means for autism families.

    This conversation covers the science in plain language: what nitric oxide does in the brain, how it connects to the mTOR pathway, why his findings suggest girls with autism may be massively underdiagnosed, and what this could mean for treatment in the coming years.

    All resources are linked in the show notes at biohackautism.com.

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism.

    Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show.



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    56 min
  • Warrior Mom Tracy Slepcevic: IACC, Gut Healing, and the Science Behind Autism Recovery

    Autism recovery is possible. When Tracy Slepcevic's son Noah was diagnosed with autism, doctors told her to lower her expectations. She refused, and today Noah works full time, drives, travels, and lives independently. Tracy is the founder of Autism Health Inc., bestselling author of Warrior Mom, and one of the newest members of the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC) under HHS.

    Tracy joins Nadia Elkhatib to share Noah's full recovery story and a preview of the groundbreaking science coming to the 2026 Autism Health Summit.

    Topics include: gut health and the autism-gut-brain connection, plasmalogens and Dr. Dayan Goodenowe's research, PANS and PANDAS (and two affordable treatment options most families don't know about), mesenchymal stem cell therapy, and the real conversation happening at the federal level around autism research.

    If you've been told autism is incurable, this episode is for you.

    Use code AUTISM50 for $50 off any in-person ticket to the 2026 Autism Health Summit.

    All resources are linked in the show notes at biohackautism.com.

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism.

    Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show.



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    54 min
  • Stop Flying Blind: How to Track, Organize, and Use Your Family's Health Data

    Most of us are trying to manage our health โ€” or our children's health โ€” without any real data. No tracking. No organization. No patterns. Just guessing.

    In this solo episode, Nadia breaks down exactly how to build a complete family health data system from scratch. She covers the difference between passive data (wearables like the Oura Ring, Whoop, and Apple Watch) and active data (labs, imaging, symptom logs), explains why Apple Health is the central hub for all of it, and shares the exact Google Drive folder structure and master lab spreadsheet she uses for her own family.

    You'll also learn how to use a continuous glucose monitor (CGM) to uncover hidden drivers of anxiety, mood crashes, and sleep disruption โ€” and how to feed all of this data into AI tools to find patterns your doctor will never spot on their own.

    This episode is for autism parents, caregivers, and anyone who wants to go from reactive to proactive with their family's health. One device, one folder, one spreadsheet. Start there.

    Key Takeaways

    You're already collecting data โ€” you just need to organize it. Your phone, your wearable, and your doctor's patient portal all have data right now. The system Nadia describes doesn't require starting from scratch.

    Passive data = no effort. Wearables (Oura, Whoop, Apple Watch) collect heart rate, HRV, sleep stages, steps, and recovery automatically. Apple Health acts as the single hub that unifies all of it.

    HRV (heart rate variability) is the single most important metric for nervous system health. It reflects mental health resilience, stress load, and recovery โ€” and it's tracked passively overnight while you sleep.

    A CGM is one of the most powerful tools for autism families. Glucose spikes drive anxiety. Blood sugar crashes affect mood and energy. Sleep disruption is often metabolic. A 10-day stint can reveal patterns that no lab panel will catch.

    Your active data is scattered โ€” and you're legally entitled to all of it. Log into LabCorp, Quest, all patient portals, and imaging centers. Download everything. You own it.

    The master lab spreadsheet is a game-changer. One spreadsheet per family member, tracking test name, date, value, and reference range over time. Doctors love it because it gives them context they can never pull from paper labs.

    Symptom logging doesn't have to be complex. A simple iPhone note with date, description, severity (1โ€“5 or 1โ€“10), and any changes to supplements or meds is enough. Consistency matters more than detail.

    AI turns data into insight. Once you have wearable data, lab spreadsheets, and symptom logs, you can feed them into AI tools like ChatGPT to identify correlations โ€” supplements โ†” behaviors, labs โ†” symptoms โ€” and build smarter questions for your doctor.

    Products, Tools & Resources Mentioned

    Wearables

    Oura Ring

    Sleep, HRV, recovery, readiness

    https://amzn.to/4rwUMvo

    Whoop

    Workout strain, exercise recovery

    https://amzn.to/40wtI4r

    Apple Watch

    General passive tracking, fitness projects

    https://amzn.to/4sdrxyU

    Monitoring Tools

    CGM โ€” Continuous Glucose Monitor

    Real-time blood sugar tracking (upper arm sensor, 10โ€“14 days)

    https://amzn.to/40oIESd

    Software & Platforms

    Apple Health

    Central data hub โ€” aggregates wearable and iPhone data

    Built-in (iOS)

    Google Drive

    Family health records storage and organization

    drive.google.com

    LabCorp Patient Portal

    Download historical labs

    https://patient.labcorp.com/

    Quest Patient Portal

    Download historical labs

    https://myquest.questdiagnostics.com/

    23andMe

    Raw genetic data download

    23andme.com

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism. Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show. Connect with Nadia:

    Website: biohackautism.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nadiaelkhatib

    Instagram: @biohackingautism



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    13 min
  • Peptides & Bioregulators for Autism: What We Actually Use in Our Home | Autism Peptides

    Autism peptides and bioregulators explained: Nadia Elkhatib shares the exact peptide protocol her family uses, including GLP-1s, Cerebrolysin, Selank, and SS-31. If you're an autism parent exploring biomedical interventions, this episode breaks down what each peptide does, why we chose it, and what we've seen.

    You'll learn why GLP-1s are far more than weight loss drugs (brain protection, neuroinflammation, MCAS), why Cerebrolysin may be one of the most powerful neuro-repair tools for autism families, how Selank became the go-to for Jimmy's anxiety, and how bioregulators fit into the long-game picture of cellular health and longevity.

    All supplements and resources mentioned are linked in the show notes at biohackautism.com.

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism.

    Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show.



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    51 min
  • The Peptides Most People Have Never Heard Of with Taylor and Hunter Williams | Autism Supplements

    Autism supplements that most families have never heard of: peptides. Nadia Elkhatib sits down with Taylor and Hunter Williams, two of the leading voices in the peptide and biohacking space, to break down the peptides that are changing outcomes for families navigating autism, longevity, and health optimization.

    Taylor and Hunter share what they've learned from years of hands-on peptide use, which compounds they keep coming back to, and what they think most people get wrong about peptides. Whether you're brand new to peptides or deep into your own protocol, this conversation cuts through the noise and gets to what actually works.

    All supplements and resources are linked in the show notes at biohackautism.com.

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism.

    Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show.

    Full disclosure: Nadia is a member of the Axion Collective, and the weekly AMAs with Hunter and Taylor have been a game-changer for her family.

    Resources and product links mentioned in this episode are listed below. Always consult with a qualified healthcare provider before starting any new supplement, peptide, or hormone protocol โ€” especially for children.

    Resources & Links Mentioned

    Hunter Williams:

    • Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/5aVo13w6OaaGoZzqoJpBkT
    • Book: https://amzn.to/4r0VsJh
    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hunterwilliamscoaching/

    Taylor Williams:

    • Instagram & YouTube: @taylorwilliamscoaching
    • Link tree with coaching info in bio: linktr.ee/taylormreid

    RxOwl (Hormone Doctor Matching Platform):

    • Coming Soon - https://rxowl.com โ€” $19 one-time fee to get matched with a hormone doctor

    The Axion Collective:

    • https://theaxioncollective.mn.co/share/vWCSJ5yyKzlQVHZi โ€” Private coaching community for peptides, hormones, and health optimization

    Supplements Mentioned:

    • L-theanine (liquid form) โ€” https://amzn.to/3N5y3IE
    • Magnesium L-Threonate - https://amzn.to/473YDIX
    • Magnesium (Glycinate) - https://amzn.to/3P42YFL

    Equipment Mentioned:

    • Bimini Oxidative Tub โ€” https://biminihydrotherapy.com/ (Locations for in-person use: https://biminihydrotherapy.com/locations)
    • Vibration plate โ€” https://powerplate.com/
    • Tonal home gym โ€” https://tonal.com/

    Biohacking Autism:

    • Website: biohackautism.com
    • IG: https://www.instagram.com/biohackautism
    • Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@BiohackingAutism

    Nadia Elkhatib is a health researcher, biohacker, and the host of Biohacking Autism. With a master's degree in Computer Science and years of experience in Silicon Valley, Nadia brings a systems-thinking approach to complex health challenges. Her journey into functional medicine and biohacking began over two decades ago while navigating autism alongside her son, Jimmy โ€” an experience that transformed her understanding of what's possible when you move beyond conventional approaches and start asking "why is the body struggling?" Today, Nadia is dedicated to sharing cutting-edge protocols, expert insights, and practical strategies with families who refuse to settle for "there's nothing more we can do.โ€

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism. Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show. Connect with Nadia:

    Website: biohackautism.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nadiaelkhatib

    Instagram: @biohackingautism

    Medical Disclaimer

    Nothing discussed in this episode is medical advice. Hunter and Taylor are educators and coaches โ€” they are not your doctor, and neither is Nadia. Especially when discussing children, please work with a qualified practitioner before trying anything you hear on this show. This conversation is about education and awareness โ€” giving you the language and the questions to bring to your child's care team.



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    1 hr 34 min
  • Why Autism Caregivers Need a Heart Health Plan | Simon Campbell on Plaque, ApoB, and the CIMT Scan

    Caregiver heart health is the silent killer no one talks about. Heart attacks and strokes kill more women than all cancers combined and more men than any other chronic disease, yet most autism caregivers in chronic survival mode have never been told to scan their arteries. In this episode, Nadia sits down with biohacker Simon Campbell to map a real heart-attack and stroke prevention plan.

    We cover the CIMT scan your doctor probably won't order ($250, no radiation, 10 minutes), why plaque burden matters more than artery age, the difference between soft plaque and calcified plaque, ApoB and Lp little a (the two cholesterol markers that actually predict your risk), why Bempedoic acid (Nexletol) is better than a statin for many people, and how Simon reversed his plaque 10 percent in three months without statins.

    For autism caregivers, this is the prevention conversation no one is having. Real solutions for autism families and the caregivers who love them.

    Connect with Simon Campbell

    YouTube: @SimonTheBiohacker

    Substack: simonthebiohacker.substack.com

    Connect with Biohacking Autism

    Website and full show notes: https://biohackingautism.com

    RESOURCES MENTIONED:

    Scans & Providers

    CardioRisk (nationwide CIMT scanning): cardiorisk.com / 801-855-6775 / [email protected]

    VasoLabs (alternative CIMT provider): vasolabs.com

    Medications Discussed (talk to your doctor)

    Bempedoic acid (Nexletol): cholesterol-lowering, liver-only mechanism

    Ezetimibe (Zetia): blocks cholesterol absorption in the gut

    Cholestyramine: bile acid sequestrant, approved since 1973

    PCSK9 inhibitors (Repatha): injectable, the big gun for crushing ApoB/LDL

    Empagliflozin (Jardiance): SGLT2 inhibitor for insulin resistance (alternatives: https://agelessrx.com/search/sglt2)

    Pioglitazone (Actos): insulin sensitizer

    Blood Tests to Request:

    Standard lipid panel (includes LDL)

    Apolipoprotein B (ApoB): not standard, must be requested

    Lipoprotein(a) / Lp(a): one-time test, genetically determined

    HbA1c: average blood sugar/insulin resistance marker

    hsCRP: inflammatory marker

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    New episodes weekly. Subscribe on your favorite podcast app and on YouTube at Biohacking Autism for more real solutions for people with autism and the ones who love them.

    Medical Disclaimer

    This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only. It is not medical advice and is not a substitute for working with a qualified healthcare professional. Always consult your doctor before making changes to your health regimen.

    Biohacking Autism explores evidence-informed integrative approaches for autism families: gut health, peptides, supplementation, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and the science behind functional medicine for people with autism.



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    1 hr 36 min
  • She Cracked the Autism Sleep Code. Here's Her Protocol | Autism Sleep

    Autism sleep problems affect 40 to 80% of people on the spectrum, and most families are told melatonin is the only option. Nadia Elkhatib breaks down the personalized sleep toolkits she built for every member of her family, including her son Jimmy who is on the autism spectrum, her husband, her youngest son Ramsey, and herself as a woman navigating menopause.

    You'll learn why sleep is foundational to healing, focus, and longevity, and how disrupted circadian rhythms, low GABA, and cortisol imbalances can sabotage rest, especially in the autism community. Nadia walks through the specific supplements, environmental changes, wearable tech, and timing strategies that transformed sleep for four very different biologies.

    Topics covered: melatonin dosing for autism, magnesium glycinate vs. threonate, the DSIP peptide, mouth taping, 8 Sleep temperature optimization, SolTech sleep system, vagus nerve stimulation devices, phosphatidylserine for cortisol, MCT oil for overnight glucose stability, spermidine, early dinner timing, and hormone replacement therapy for sleep.

    All supplements, tools, and research sources are linked in the show notes at biohackautism.com.

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism.

    Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show.



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    22 min
  • 5 Health Hacks We Wish We'd Known Years Earlier | Autism Supplements

    Autism supplements and daily health hacks that actually work: five simple, affordable things Nadia Elkhatib and her family do every single day, including for her son Jimmy who has autism and is highly sensitive to new protocols.

    Each hack comes with the science behind it, real dosing details, and honest notes on what to watch for if you or your child is sensitive. You'll learn the 3-supplement immune stack that ended months-long illnesses, why magnesium malate is the constipation fix most doctors skip, a natural UTI prevention strategy, the electrolyte mistake causing heart racing, and the one dietary change that cleared psoriasis after years of failed treatments.

    All supplements and products are linked in the show notes at biohackautism.com.

    Biohacking Autism is hosted by Nadia Elkhatib. This podcast explores evidence-informed approaches to autism through functional medicine, integrative health, and biohacking strategies for autism families. New episodes cover autism supplements, autism gut health, peptides, sleep, anxiety, longevity, and health technology that support real outcomes for people with autism.

    Subscribe and leave a review to help other autism parents find this show.



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    16 min

About Biohacking Autism with Nadia Elkhatib.

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Hosted by Nadia Elkhatib, Biohacking Autism is the go-to podcast for parents, caregivers, and families navigating the complex world of autism. Each week, we explore the biological root causes behind the toughest challenges in autism, from autism anxiety and sleep disruption to neuroinflammation, MCAS, gut health, seizures, and nervous system dysregulation, alongside evidence-informed integrative approaches that actually help.