Some speakers are born with "natural talent."

The rest of us accidentally clear out conference rooms, get compared to fire hoses, improvise ourselves right off the stage, and somehow survive long enough to become keynote speakers.

Guess which category Jeffrey and Rona belong to?

In this delightfully honest episode of Biz-Souls, Jeffrey and Rona pull back the curtain on decades of speaking, training, facilitation, and the occasional professional face-plant. Jeffrey shares the story of the telemarketing conference where nearly 300 people became...well...about five, while Rona explains why creating psychological safety through play can turn terrified executives into enthusiastic participants.

Along the way you'll discover why:

• Great speakers focus on the audience not themselves.

• Reading your slides is a crime against humanity.

• Humor is one of the fastest ways to reduce resistance to change.

• Storytelling isn't just entertainment, it's how people remember.

• Every audience is different, and people are still people.

• Sometimes your biggest career lessons come from your biggest disasters.

You'll also hear stories involving:

• A scuba instructor who almost didn't graduate because he couldn't present.

• A sales trainer accused of delivering information through a fire hose.

• Stand-up comedy that ended with applause for leaving early.

• Neurosurgeons battling for the prestigious title of Rock-Paper-Scissors Champion.

• Why the best keynote speakers rarely memorize speeches?

• The surprising reason age may actually make you a better presenter.

What makes this episode different is that Jeffrey and Rona don't pretend they have always been polished professionals. They openly admit where they stumbled, what they learned, and how thousands of presentations later they're still learning every single time they step on stage.

Because here's the truth, ‘Nobody wants to hire someone who's perfect.’

They want someone who's authentic, and someone they can learn from. Although, it certainly helps if the presenter doesn’t chase away 295 audience members with a truth the audience doesn’t want to hear.

Whether you're leading meetings, pitching clients, training employees, presenting to executives, speaking at conferences, or simply trying to stop reading directly from PowerPoint, this episode is packed with practical ideas you can use immediately.

And yes...there's plenty of laughing at Jeffrey's expense.

(He'll tell you Rona made him do it.)

Why Listen?

Because public speaking isn't about standing in front of people. It's about changing the way people think. And that's a whole lot harder than remembering your opening line.

Looking for a Speaker Who Won't Bore Your Audience?

Between them, Jeffrey Hansler and Rona Lewis have spent decades helping organizations improve leadership, communication, storytelling, emotional intelligence, creativity, innovation, sales, organizational change, financial literacy, and employee engagement.

Their programs combine research, interaction, improv, humor, and practical tools people actually remember after the conference coffee wears off.

Whether your audience consists of engineers, healthcare executives, financial professionals, manufacturers, HR leaders, or sales teams, they customize every keynote and workshop to fit your organization—because industries are different, but people are wonderfully, predictably human.

And yes...they promise not to read their slides.

We’re just not sure if audiences are ready for the both of them on the same stage.

So, if that’s what you’re after, like, share and follow them on Biz-Souls for now.

Have you ever walked into a room and forgotten why? Forgotten an actor's name?

Couldn't find your glasses... while wearing them? Congratulations!

You're already qualified for this week's episode of Biz-Souls where Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler tackle one of the biggest business questions of 2026, ‘Is AI making us more productive... or just professionally lazy?’

Along the way they discuss:

• Why leaders shouldn't outsource their brains?

• Why ChatGPT should be your assistant—not your CEO?

• The science behind "cognitive offloading" (which sounds much nicer than "letting the computer do all the thinking.")

• Why GPS has destroyed everyone's sense of direction?

• How calculators, smartphones and AI are all quietly stealing little pieces of our brains.

• The MIT research showing your brain literally works less when AI does all the writing.

• Why confidence without critical thinking is a dangerous combination?

And yes... Rona and Jeffrey both completely forget multiple names and words while recording this episode. The irony is not lost. Jeffrey is just glad he remembered what irony meant.

If you've ever wondered whether AI is making people smarter or simply helping them become faster at being confidently wrong, this episode is for you.

As always, expect research, laughs, terrible jokes, political jabs at everyone equally, and enough rabbit trails to require GPS. Because at Biz-Souls, AI is welcome while artificial wisdom is not.

Have AI like, share, follow, and subscribe to Biz-Souls! We know you’ve been wanting to be part of the Biz-Souls family.

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Episode 226 – Happiness Is Not a Destination

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Episode 176 – Leadership Lessons with Judge Daren Margolin

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Episode 177 – Margie Zable Fisher: Building a Business with Purpose

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Episode 127 – Tickled About Piccles! A Unique Way of Connecting Communities

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Episode 128 – Insuring HR Is Taken Seriously

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What makes people happy? Money? Success? Contrast? Getting promoted? Buying a boat? On second thought, scratch that last one.

This week on Biz-Souls, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler dive headfirst into one of the biggest misconceptions floating around social media—that happiness is something you earn after enough success.

Spoiler alert: The research politely disagrees.

Between arguing over dopamine, confusing clapboards with Kaiser rolls, taking shots at influencers, and somehow ending up discussing Quentin Tarantino, Steve Jobs, Yale, British goodbyes, and why buying a boat might be the fastest route to financial sadness, our dynamic duo accidentally uncover some surprisingly fascinating science.

Along the way you'll discover:

• Why happiness has far less to do with money than Instagram would like you to believe?

• The truth behind hedonic adaptation—why your exciting promotion eventually feels like Tuesday.

• Why your DNA gets more credit for your happiness than your paycheck?

• How gratitude, purpose, and meaningful relationships actually move the needle.

• Why humor isn't just entertaining, it helps people learn.

• Why miserable bosses sometimes produce amazing work... but probably shouldn't be role models.

And of course, Rona somehow manages to compare Hollywood clapboards to dinner rolls.

Modern positive psychology has consistently found that happiness isn't simply the result of external success. Research by experts such as Sonja Lyubomirsky suggests that while genetics establish a baseline for happiness, intentional activities like gratitude, kindness, nurturing relationships, finding purpose, and staying engaged play a significant role in increasing long-term well-being.

Meanwhile, research on hedonic adaptation reminds us that even wonderful events such as a raise, a new car, or finally buying that dream house, eventually become normal.

The brain adjusts.

Which explains why yesterday's dream job eventually becomes today's Monday morning meeting.

Their conversation touches on the importance of humor in learning. Studies have shown that appropriate humor increases attention, engagement, memory retention, and psychological safety which are all reasons Rona and Jeffrey deliberately sprinkle laughter into their keynote presentations, workshops, and training programs. Besides, people rarely remember Slide #9, number 9, number 9…

In this episode, Rona and Jeffrey have some favorite moments:

• Jeffrey finally figures out what the "Roll" column on a movie clapboard means.

• Rona reveals what she learned from Yale's famous happiness course.

• The theory that if you're ‘too happy’, just buy a boat.

And this has to be the longest goodbye in podcast history. Seriously, they finish the episode about six different times.

Your takeaway, ‘Stop chasing someone else's version of happiness!’

The science says your next luxury purchase probably won't change your life nearly as much as stronger relationships, meaningful work, laughter, gratitude, and purpose.

Which is good news, because those are a lot cheaper than a yacht.

Listen if You Want to Learn:

• The psychology of happiness

• Why influencers often oversimplify success

• How humor improves learning

• What positive psychology actually teaches

• Why comparison steals joy

• How resilient people bounce back faster

• Why buying a boat may require therapy

Like. Follow. Share. And tune in wherever you get your podcasts!

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Episode 215 – Kathy Klotz-Guest: Humor Is Serious Business

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Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler explore the battle between confidence and intelligence, and why organizations sometimes reward the person who sounds the most certain instead of the person who is actually the most knowledgeable.

Our Biz-Souls’ hosts ask the question every workplace has secretly wondered, “Is confidence the secret ingredient to success or just the loudest person in the room getting the microphone?”

Because let’s face it, we’ve all seen it happen.

Someone walks into a meeting with absolute certainty, a PowerPoint full of buzzwords, and the confidence of someone who has never once Googled ‘am I wrong?’ Meanwhile, the person with actual expertise is sitting quietly thinking, "Interesting theory. Unfortunately, reality hasn’t entered the discussion."

In this episode, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler dive into the fascinating battle between confidence and intelligence — and why businesses often reward the person who sounds the most certain rather than the person who actually knows the most.

The conversation explores:

• Why confidence can sometimes beat competence in the workplace?

• How the Dunning–Kruger effect explains why people with the least knowledge can sometimes have the strongest opinions.

• Why “fake it until you make it” can work… until someone asks a follow-up question.

• How credibility, experience, and humility separate true confidence from overconfidence.

• Why the best leaders are confident enough to speak, and intelligent enough to listen?

And naturally, there is plenty of self-awareness and self-inflicted roasting as usual with our transparent hosts.

Jeffrey admits that when he started producing the podcast, his confidence occasionally exceeded his technical ability. Rona reminds everyone that knowing what you don’t know might actually be one of the smartest things you can know.

And yes, there may have been some discussion about cameras, sound equipment, and Jeffrey confidently ignoring excellent advice from someone who actually knew what they were doing.

Because while confidence gets you in the room, intelligence helps you stay there. And credibility is what makes people want you back.

The big takeaway is confidence is powerful and it helps you act, lead conversations, influence decisions, and earn opportunities.

Confidence without competence becomes dangerous. Which is why the most successful professionals combine confidence, curiosity, competence, and humility. The person who says, ‘I know everything.’, is usually the person you need to worry about. While the person who says, I know a lot, and I know there is still more to learn.’, is usually the person you want leading the team.

Watch, listen, laugh, and tell us: Who is the most confidently wrong person you’ve ever worked with?

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Episode 177: Margie Zable Fisher – Storytelling, Connection, and Authentic Influence

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Episode 128: Insuring HR Is Taken Care Of

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Cancer changes everything—but it doesn't have to steal your confidence.

In this heartfelt and surprisingly funny episode of Biz-Souls, Jeffrey Hansler and Rona Lewis welcome back longtime friend and internationally recognized cancer hair-loss expert Amy Gibson, founder of Created Hair and the new Cancer Comfort Corner.

Amy has spent more than 26 years helping thousands of women navigate one of the most emotional parts of cancer treatment: losing their hair. But this conversation quickly becomes about much more than wigs.

You'll hear how Amy transformed her own experience with alopecia into a global mission of compassion, innovation, and practical solutions. From inventing the world's first women's swim wig to sharing overlooked tips about chemotherapy, caregiving, hydration, nail safety, laundry, and emotional resilience, Amy proves that sometimes the smallest details make the biggest difference.

Along the way...

• Jeffrey asks the questions everyone else is thinking (including confusing "I AM" with AI...)

• Rona reminds us of why authentic friendships matter.

• Amy explains why she believes there is no such thing as bad news—only reality paired with solutions.

If you've ever wondered what true service looks like, this episode delivers equal parts wisdom, laughter, and hope.

Because sometimes the greatest business model is simply helping people when they need it most.

We appreciate your likes, shares, and follows. Wishing you continued success on your journey.

Enjoyed Amy's story? Go back and listen to Episode 52: More Than Just Hair! A Wiggy Conversation with Amy Gibson, where Amy shares her own journey with alopecia, becoming an international wig designer, and why she says she's really in the confidence business—not the wig business. Then come back to hear how her mission has evolved into the Cancer Comfort Corner.

Episode 52: More Than Just Hair! A Wiggy Conversation with Amy Gibson

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Episode 137: Just Say No! Maybe.

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If you've ever called customer service and ended up questioning your life choices, your sanity, and possibly the existence of organized civilization, this episode is for you.

This week on Biz-Souls, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler tackle a business problem so common it has practically become its own department: the giant communication gap between sales and technical teams.

What starts as a simple internet upgrade quickly becomes a masterclass in organizational dysfunction.

One order becomes six. A customer becomes a moving target. A phone number disappears. An account somehow exists, doesn't exist, moved, didn't move, and may have entered a parallel universe.

And yet... the executive team is asleep at wheel.

One outstanding technician salvages the entire customer experience.

Using a real-world customer service adventure involving internet providers, billing systems, account migrations, and enough contradictory information to make a GPS cry, Jeffrey and Rona explore why even good companies can create terrible customer experiences when departments operate in silos.

The conversation dives into:

• Why sales teams and technical teams often speak completely different languages

• How misaligned incentives create costly customer frustration

• The hidden cultural problems that technology alone can't solve

• Why frontline employees often know more about operational problems than leadership

• The role of Six Sigma and process improvement in reducing costly mistakes

• How AI is accelerating the need for organizational alignment

• Why one exceptional employee sometimes saves an entire company's reputation

Along the way, you'll hear stories involving internet providers, computer repairs, Amazon reconciliation headaches, disappearing phone numbers, and enough customer service absurdity to make you wonder how organizations stay in business at all.

The surprising lesson? Most customer experience failures aren't caused by bad employees.

They're caused by systems that force good employees to work with bad information. When sales, service, operations, technology, and leadership fail to communicate, customers don't see departments. They see one company and wish they could collaborate with a smarter company.

And when that company acts like five different companies arguing with each other, trust disappears faster than Jeffrey's phone number in a Verizon database.

Whether you're a business owner, executive, salesperson, manager, consultant, or simply someone who has ever screamed "JUST TALK TO EACH OTHER!" while dealing with customer service, this episode offers practical insights, painful truths, and plenty of laughs.

Because in business, communication isn't just a soft skill. It's infrastructure. And when the infrastructure fails, everything else starts buffering.

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Episode 141: Mature Gnome with Ego: Building a Strong Defense with Humor

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Remember when Windex was suggested as the solution to cleaning a clapboard? Neither do we. Well, actually, Jeffrey does. Repeatedly.

This week's episode of Biz-Souls begins with household confusion, questionable cleaning advice, and a closet door that apparently became an escape room challenge. Naturally, this leads directly into one of psychology's most fascinating concepts: cognitive dissonance.

Because that's how Biz-Souls works.

Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler dive into the mental tug-of-war that happens when our beliefs, actions, and reality refuse to cooperate with one another. Why do smart people reject good ideas? Why do sales professionals cling to "maybe" prospects like they're winning lottery tickets? Why do political arguments often leave both sides even more convinced they're right?

Blame the gatekeeper.

Drawing on the groundbreaking work of psychologist Leon Festinger, Rona and Jeffrey explore how our brains are wired to seek consistency—even when consistency isn't helping us. From leadership and sales training to social media debates and organizational change, they unpack why new information often feels threatening and what it takes to move past that resistance.

You'll discover:

• Why the fear of loss is often stronger than the promise of gain

• How cognitive dissonance quietly sabotages learning and growth

• Why storytelling is one of leadership's most powerful change tools

• The surprising connection between improv games, executive speaking, and organizational transformation

• Why people rarely change until their backs are against the wall

• How to recognize when your own internal "gatekeeper" is blocking progress

You'll also meet Ralph. Who is Ralph? Ralph is the name Rona gives to the little mental bouncer standing at the door of your mind, checking IDs and rejecting new ideas before they ever get inside.

Whether you're leading a team, building a business, selling a product, navigating relationships, or simply trying to understand why people on social media seem determined to argue with reality, this episode offers practical insights and plenty of laughs.

Because sometimes the first step toward growth is realizing that the voice saying "that's a terrible idea" might just be Ralph protecting old habits. And Ralph, frankly, needs a vacation.

Listen in, challenge your assumptions, and remember don't believe everything you hear... especially from the voice inside your own head.

And take a minute to share, follow, and subscribe. We’re excited to have you join us.

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Color is emotion. Gray is a mood. This episode is a whole palette.

Somewhere along the way, the world went gray. Not metaphorically — literally.

Scroll through a parking lot photo from 1980 and you'll see yellows, blues, reds, a green car someone clearly loved. Scroll through a 2025 parking lot and you'll think your screen broke. It didn't. That's just… the vibe now. Black, white, and approximately 47 varieties of steel gray.

In this episode of Biz-Souls, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler tackle the surprisingly rich (and surprisingly emotional) business of color. Why did the world go gray? Who decided that color was somehow beneath civilized people? (Spoiler: it was a 1908 Austrian architect who also hated fun.) And more importantly — is color finally, finally staging a comeback?

The design world seems to think so. Pantone named Mocha Mousse as its 2025 Color of the Year — a warm, earthy brown bridges luxury and comfort — while Bear selected a deep ruby red and Valspar went with a rich navy blue. Design experts are also flagging rising nostalgia for 70s-inspired earth tones like terracotta and clay. Apparently, the pendulum is finally swinging — and it's swinging toward something that doesn't look like a rental car.

Rona (art major, self-described color evangelist, proud owner of a steel-gray Lexus she did NOT want in steel gray) and Jeffrey (temporarily a reformed all-black wardrobe guy, partially colorblind, still has opinions) go deep on:

• Why Adolf Loos — yes, a real architect with a real 1908 essay — declared that using color as decoration was a sign of arrested moral development (he was targeting Art Nouveau, one of the most beautiful art movements ever, which tells you everything)

• Why California's most popular home color is basically beige wearing a disguise

• What mid-century modern living rooms, orange sinks, and lava lamps tell us about where we're headed

• Why color equals hope, gray stands for fear, and aubergine is always the right answer

• How Pantone's Color of the Year program influences billions of dollars in buying decisions across fashion, design, and consumer goods — meaning this isn't just an aesthetic conversation, it's a business conversation Red94

Mocha Mousse is warm, approachable, and undeniably chic — the sartorial equivalent of a decadent chocolate pudding. But Rona and Jeffrey aren't entirely convinced we're ready to go to the full Color Revolution just yet. Jeffrey suspects AI and utilitarian thinking might keep the grays winning. Rona is cautiously optimistic. Their conversation, as always, will have you laughing and rethinking things you didn't realize you had opinions about. Who - What – Wear!

Wear your colors, it might be your civic duty.

Listen now. Like. Subscribe. And for the love of Art Nouveau, color it up.

Somewhere between Willy Wonka, Silicon Valley wellness culture, and two entrepreneurs stubborn enough to spend a year making mushrooms taste luxurious, Episode 222 of Biz-Souls was born. Well, Welcome back, Kotter and Room 222.

In this delightfully smooth episode, hosts Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler sit down with Graham Bailey and Lee Ribeiro, the masterminds behind Mana Bars (https://manabars.com) - a California-based functional chocolate company turning adaptogens, nootropics, and wellness mushrooms into something shockingly rare: Chocolate that actually tastes like chocolate.

Not dirt. Not regret. Not “wellness” disguised as dessert. Real, silky, craveable chocolate.

The episode kicks off with dreams of Formula One racing, Olympic swimming, music careers, and entrepreneurship before veering gloriously into cognitive-enhancing cacao, calming mushroom blends, and the kind of startup chaos every founder secretly recognizes.

There’s packaging talk, Expo West war stories, manufacturing realities, influencer culture, and enough entrepreneurial wisdom to fuel at least three LinkedIn gurus and one exhausted MBA student.

What makes Graham and Lee compelling isn’t just the product. It’s the collision of craftsmanship and curiosity. One minute they’re discussing functional wellness and sourcing mushrooms from Southern California. The next they’re debating why white chocolate lovers are apparently a secret underground movement worthy of protection. And somehow, it all works.

The real magic of this conversation is that it never feels like a pitch. It feels like two builders obsessing over experience. They didn’t want “healthy chocolate.” They wanted chocolate-forward indulgence with an actual functional payoff:

• Focus without feeling jittery

• Calm without tasting medicinal

• Energy without drinking something neon from a gas station refrigerator

In true Biz-Souls fashion, the episode also drifts into the wonderfully human side of entrepreneurship and why:

• patience matters more than hype

• theory and practice are constantly kung fu fighting

• relationships matter more than algorithms

And why every entrepreneur eventually learns that fires are not occasional events, they’re basically recurring calendar appointments.

The conversation also explores the growing “sober curious” wellness market, influencer-driven branding, and how modern consumers increasingly want products that feel both indulgent and intentional. Functional mushrooms, adaptogens, and nootropics have exploded across wellness categories recently, but Mana Bars is trying to bring actual flavor credibility into the space. And yes… there’s an Austin Powers “One Billion Dollars!” moment. Because no Biz-Souls episode should ever become too respectable.

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Episode 127: Tickled About Piccles! with Chris Bent

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Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler welcome back recurring guest and hospitality insider Nick Morton to unpack a story that rocked the culinary world - centered on famed chef René Redzepi of Noma. This isn’t just another ‘celebrity chef gone rogue’ story. It’s a full-on reality check about internships, unpaid labor, and the culture of ‘abuse-as-education’.

Redzepi’s empire didn’t crumble overnight. It wasn’t until former interns began speaking out about toxic conditions of emotional and physical abuse when René’s cake was left out in the rain.

Here’s the kicker: This isn’t just a restaurant problem.

Nick draws a bold, and frankly uncomfortable, parallel to the Olympic Games, FIFA World Cup, and even elite events like the US Open Golf Championship that all take advantage of free labor.

The question is, ‘When billion-dollar industries rely on unpaid work is it an educational tradition or exploitation with better branding?

For the restaurant business, Nick draws a line between the brigade system, popularized by Auguste Escoffier, and the current culture. His system was designed to bring order to the chaos of commercial kitchens: Think military precision with butter.

Things went sideways when the culture moved from a ‘Yes, Chef!’ attitude to flying sauté pans.

The abusive culture has only continued to grow. While shows like ‘The Bear’ may win awards, they normalize dysfunctional behavior and environments. You know the characters from reality shows: Marco Pierre White and TV titan Gordon Ramsay. Their behavior is excused as fiery personalities and show ratings are strong.

Nick and Biz-Souls ask the real question: Must apprenticeship go hand-in-hand with abuse. And you know the answer, and so do the creators and stars of the ‘The Great British Bake Off’.

Saying drama sells is just an excuse for limited minds. Still, before you swear off dining out forever, take a breath, because this episode isn’t a takedown, it’s a wake-up call.

Nick highlights the leaders who don’t make headlines for bad behavior. Mentors who teach instead of terrorizing. Operators who build people up instead of breaking them down. Restaurateurs like Danny Meyer who prove hospitality can actually include hospitality.

Turns out, kindness isn’t bad for business. Who knew?

If you believe this isn’t just about restaurants, and it’s about every industry where ‘experience’ is used as currency instead of cash, then you’re drinking from the same glass as Nick and our Biz-Souls hosts.

As for these billion dollar enterprises paying apprentices and ‘volunteers’, if only those with the means to fund themselves can afford to learn, the system isn’t building talent, it’s filtering it.

So, listen in, follow, subscribe, share and share again. Because this message is an important message to pass around.