Blessed Are the Binary Breakers

Blessed Are the Binary Breakers

By Avery ArdenReligion & Spirituality
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Blessed Are the Binary Breakers episodes

  • Enrique is cultivating the fruits of the Spirit

    After realizing that they did not have to try to be the cishet man their Catholic church and family expected them to be, and that God is bigger than any one institution, Enrique Cintrón explored a variety of religions before finding a home in the Episcopal Church.

    Enrique cultivates community in their hometown of Philadelphia as well as online, particularly in the form of their podcast, Fruits of the Spirit. Their ministry lifts the voices of queer and trans people of color, and calls all of us to embrace the sometimes-uncomfortable but ultimately life-giving conversations about racism, transphobia, and more.

    Click here for an episode transcript.

    Where you can find Enrique:

    - enriquecintron.com
    - on Twitter and Instagram @enriquecint and also @FOTSpodcast
    - on Facebook at "Fruits of the Spirit Podcast"

    For a transcript of this episode, visit transchristianity.com/podcast

    Talking points:

    - (0:00 - 3:21) Intro

    - (3:22 - 9:45) Rooted in Philadelphia, raised in a Catholic Puerto Rican family; exploring various religions, finding the Episcopal Church
    - (9:46 - 15:23) Considering ordained ministry in a predominantly white denomination -- issues of racism without willingness for dialogue
    - (15:24 - 21:07) Online ministry -- social media is real, a place of community; starting the podcast Fruits of the Spirit for queer and trans people of color
    - (21:08 - 26:17) Christianity from a nonbinary perspective -- finding ourselves hidden in scripture; using They pronouns for God
    - (26:18 - 29:41) Steps to ordination, preparing for the spiritual challenges
    - (29:42 - 40:27) Enrique's time in the Life Together program -- valuable ministry, intentional community, racism unaddressed
    - (40:28 - 45:09) The need to address racism and other sources of pain in order to have authentic relationships
    - (45:10 - 46:47) Wrapping up -- where you can find Enrique; "trust the process"
    - (46:48 - 50:50) Ending notes: call for trans and/or nonbinary people to share their sacred spaces on the show; invitation to enter a raffle to win my book of poetry!

    51 min
  • "We just want to be heard": Dee on Chile, race, disability, and trans rights

    Dee Garnica shares their experience as a 19-year-old nonbinary Chilean, discussing issues of disability, race, and transgender rights in Chile. 

    While the country does offer universal healthcare, as well as certain legal rights for trans persons, Dee has found that talk of trans issues is regarded as taboo and that the healthcare system fails many disabled persons. Moreover, despite the racial diversity of the Chilean people, racism rears its ugly head in the treatment of immigrants and in the dominance of white people in positions of power. 

    Raised Catholic, Dee has also found Catholic school and Mass to be hostile places for them and thus has left religion. Wherever Dee goes, from academia to the workplace, they speak up for their rights, believing that every human being has a right to be heard and respected for who they are. 

    Click here for an episode transcript.

    Talking points:

    - (0:00 - 5:56) Podcast info, current events in Chile, and introducing Dee

    - (5:57 - 13:00) Issues with gendered language in Spanish; roadblocks for trans Chileans
    - (13:01 - 14:46) Family denial, organizational and online support
    - (14:47 - 20:53) Leaving religion after harmful experiences in Catholicism; Christianity should not be rich or whitewashed
    - (20:54 - 24:45) Racism and xenophobia in Chile -- migrants and refugees
    - (24:46 - 37:10) Fighting to have name and pronouns respected in school and at work; fighting to have disability recognized -- wanting better rights for those who come after us
    - (37:11 - 47:15) Dee's plans for the future -- biochemistry, accommodations, starting a YouTube vlog, continuing "out of spite"
    - (47:16 - 49:07) Chile as a "developing country"
    - (49:08 - end) Wrapping up the episode

    You can find Dee on twitter @DeeGarnicaO and on Instagram @nonbinaryq. 

    Find the episode transcript at transchristianity.com/podcast

    52 min
  • How are trans people like Jonah? - A Jewish trans woman's perspective

    Click here for an episode transcript.

    This is the last episode of season 1 of this podcast. The next episode will come up at the end of October. In the meantime, I invite trans and/or nonbinary people from any faith background to send me their stories of how they have been a gift to their faith communities for a special episode of this show. Send those stories in audio or text format to [email protected] by December 1.

    In this episode, I do not interview anyone but rather discuss Joy Ladin's introduction to her 2019 text The Soul of the Stranger: Reading God and Torah from a Transgender Perspective. In this text, Ladin compares her attempt to flee from her womanhood to Jonah's attempt to flee from his identity as a prophet. Like Jonah, trans people's decision to live into who they are enriches their communities, just as Jonah's eventual acceptance of his call helps Nineveh. 

    16 min
  • Rev. Jo Inkpin is flourishing with a trans-ing God

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    After coming out several years ago, Josephine Inkpin became the first openly transgender priest in the Anglican Church of Australia. Born in England, where she and her wife were part of the fight for women's ordination, Jo moved to Australia in 2000 and now helps fight not just for the inclusion of LGBTQA+ persons, but for their affirmation and celebration. 

    In this episode, Jo envisions the Kingdom of God as a banquet where all are not only allowed at the table but can transform it, and where worship is a party where we are opened to ever-new experiences of God. She explores what it means to worship a God who is artist and art, trans-ing and constantly urging the Church "to trans" as well. Jo also discusses the gifts that trans persons offer their faith communities as agents of transformation, and why it's imperative for some of us to stay and speak up even while others find it necessary to step away. 

    For some more details on Jo's personal journey, see this article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-23/australias-first-transgender-priest/9477100 

    Explore more of Jo's incredible work at transspirit.org, or follow her on Twitter @blessedimp. 

    1 hr 15 min
  • Luca is making their community stronger

    Luca Alexander is passionate about raising the voices of marginalized women and LGBTQ+ individuals, doing so through their job at the Boston-based consulting team VISIONS, through their scholarship at Boston University, and through participation in queer and Muslim spaces in Boston.



    In this episode, Luca discusses becoming a Muslim; navigating hijab, islamophobia, and gender dysphoria; researching gender segregation; and more. In their studies, they have asked the question of how Islam defines "man" and "woman," where trans and nonbinary people fit within the framework of Islamic law, and whether gender segregation is necessarily mandated. While Luca has had to deal with queerphobia and islamophobia at school and elsewhere, they have also found meaningful community through Queer Muslims of Boston, energy in creating art, and healing in Dhikr, chanting the 99 Names of God. 

    You can find Luca @LucaRNAlexander on Twitter.

    51 min
  • From End Times to a new beginning: Adi is reconstructing their faith

    Adi McNally's life is looking up. For one thing, they've just gotten top surgery! Adi's also moved from a church that kept them isolated and fearful to a church that welcomes all that they are; from being in a homeschool group with right wing values to being involved in their college's LGBT community; and from seeing God as a wrathful parent coming to judge us at the End Times to rediscovering scripture in the light of love. 

    Join Adi (age 19) as they discuss growing up in a toxic and manipulative religious environment; discovering the link between their eating disorder and gender dysphoria; meeting other queer people and realizing that all they'd been told about LGBT people was wrong; and learning that doubt and questions are a healthy part of faith. They also share a beautiful poem they wrote after their baptism. 

    Click here for an episode transcript.
    content warning: discussions of an eating disorder and getting it treated; nothing too detailed. 

    Where you can find Adi:

    - On instagram @peas.and.poetry (
    - A published poem in The Fruit Tree: https://thefruittreemag.wixsite.com/home
    - A published essay titled "Gender-neutral language in Christian Universities" with IJURCA: https://commons.pacificu.edu/ijurca/vol10/iss2/1/.


    53 min
  • Alex is a Haitian Vodou Priest

    There are fewer than 5 known transgender priests in the Haitian Vodou religion, and as far as he knows Alex Batagi (initiated under the name Bonkira Bon Oungan, "what is good is rare") is the only currently active one. With the guidance of his spiritual mother, Manbo Maude, his spirits, and his community, Houngan Alex has been able to take up the tools of Vodou -- healing, magic, and devotion to the lwa -- to fully recognize his identity as a trans man and work towards the ultimate goal of Vodou: balance in all areas for all people. 

    In this episode, Alex discusses his growth from being a pastor's kid to an agnostic and finally to discovering Haitian Vodou right there in Boston. He has found that the lwa, the spirits, embrace and support his whole self. Alex also talks about what it's like to be a white and non-Haitian practitioner of Vodou, as well as the importance of spirituality and community to trans persons.

    Click here for an episode transcript.

    Where you can find Alex:

    -- His blog - http://rockofeye.tumblr.com/
    -- His Facebook -  https://www.facebook.com/bonkirabonhoungan  
    -- His sosyete's YouTube channel, where you can watch ceremonies - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwTUPzo0khFiuUojjbA5mRw

    Episode transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K7zrbOYpXN0FvcR5T41o3gPbfcbP1Z_RKDTPCm2oyKo/edit?usp=sharing 

    53 min
  • When faith hurts: Sharing stories of transphobic violence

    In this episode, five people share their stories of religious hurt.

    Bryce winces when he hears church music. Neko worries about her family finding out she's LGBT, but dreams of leaving Indonesia to be herself. Ryka discovers that they are gay and trans because it was part of God's plan. Spencer is a "drive-by casualty of religious homophobia," and struggles with their relationship with their parents. Avery struggled in their teenage years simply because no one gave them the language they needed to thrive. 

    My hope for this episode is that listeners who are going through similar pain will feel encouraged to learn that they are not alone; and that all of us will be motivated to compassion -- grieving together and then acting to challenge transphobia and cissexism wherever we find them. 

    Content warnings are offered before each individual's story (both in the audio and below). In general, this episode contains a lot of discussions on transphobia and homophobia (internalized and otherwise); fear of divine rejection; and family and church conflict. 

    Talking points:

    - Introd: sharing the stories of several people's experiences with transphobic violence in faith communities (0:00-3:23)

    - Limitations of this episode (3:24-6:45)

    - Bryce Corcoran's story (he/him) (read by Avery) (CW: homophobia, trans phobia, family rejection, fear of divine rejection, brief mentions of death)
    - church and family members who do not approve, will not meet his wife (6:46-10:14)
    - struggling to engage with God because of the damage done in God's name (10:15-11:08)

    - Neko's story (she/her) (CW: homophobia and transphobia from family, students, and religious groups; internalized homophobia; fear of family rejection / fear of being outed; government censorship)
    - Living in Indonesia, parents who are church workers; "If they knew, my life would go to ruin" (11:09-18:54)
    - Hope: finding other LGBT Christians; "I'm getting out of this country someday." (18:55-20:21)

    - Ryka's story (he/him or they/them) (read by Avery) (CW: transphobia and homophobia, including internalized, including the word "homosexual" used as a slur; fear of divine rejection; mentions of the military)
    - lacking the language to understand himself (20:22-23:01)
    - "If God really hates me, why should I love him?" (23:02-24:35)
    - "I am gay and transgender because it is in God's plans for me." (24:36-26:05)

    - Spencer's story (they/them) (CW: one use of the F word; homophobia and transphobia; mentions of religious sexism; conflict with parents)
    - Trying to fix injustice and getting shut down; "I've never been able to forgive them for not listening" (26:06-29:34)
    - "I didn't have anyone that I trusted to help me sort out my feelings about faith and religion." (29:35-31:46)
    - Years later -- counseling with parents; “no way to tell a church that’s trying to ‘save’ you that what they’re doing is literally the opposite of salvation” (31:47-32:59)

    - Avery's story (they/them) (CW: suicide ideation and one brief mention of self harm; queerphobia, especially internalized; puberty discussed)
    - Learning that gay is a dirty word, that men and women are inherently different (33:00-35:58)
    - The violence of silence, of being unable to believe we have a happy future ahead (35:59-39:09)
    - Poem: what I would tell my ten year old self (39:10-44:22)

    - Wrapping up: I have a Patreon now! (44:23-48:56)
    Please check it out! https://www.patreon.com/queerlychristian?fbclid=IwAR1ygGPvHVHFdZfQyMjgy2vE8TOEt0dt3IlhbCsOui3C5hA81t4aC5odfcg

    Ryka can be found on twitter @RSween1.
    If you are interested in reaching out to Neko, contact Avery.

    49 min
  • Hanka is a Polish cryptid

    Click here for an episode transcript.

    Hanka (he/him or she/her) is a 19-year-old bigender lesbian who was born in Warsaw, has lived in places like Belgium and Israel, and is back in Warsaw again. In this interview, Hanka talks about what it's like to be LGBT in Poland, a very Catholic country where the LGBT community is only just entering the public consciousness; how theatre helped her figure out her gender identity; and how he's moved from thinking something's "wrong" with him to recognizing that experiencing anxiety doesn't mean God has left you.

    Find Hanka on instagram at spagetticathimself, and on tumblr as hanqa-a or dyke-community.
    Talking points:
    - Intro, Catholicism in Poland (0:00 - 7:30)
    - First crush on a girl, questioning sexuality (7:31 - 9:04)
    - In Poland, LGBT people are "cryptids" -- but awareness is slowly growing (9:05 - 15:47)
    - Figuring out sexuality and gender, getting into theatre (15:48 - 23:03)
    - Currently in school for costuming (23:04 - 27:03)
    - Guilt and doubt, compensating by being "the best Christian" (27:04 - 33:00)
    - Realizing that anxiety is the problem, not something wrong with him (33:01 - 36:23)
    - More on trying out different labels; "the gender binary is one big lie" (36:24 - 40:15)
    - Internalized misogyny while repressing attraction to girls; "I love being 70% a girl!" (40:16 - 41:54)
    - "Crushes" on guys; "Are you lesbians?" (41:55 - 45:09)
    - Teaching children English, homophobia against teachers (45:10 - 48:44)
    - More on LGBT politics in Poland -- "the timeline is so messed up" (48:45 - 52:50)
    - Struggling to decide whether to come out with friends, others (52:51 - 55:08)
    - Wrapping up: "Test everything and hold to what's true" (55:09 - 57:08)

    58 min
  • "God's not gonna leave you": Christian Witchcraft with Phoenyx

    Phoenyx (they or she pronouns) is 30 years old, bisexual, working towards becoming a national certified counselor, and has been exploring different religions for the past few years. Raised Catholic and discovering Christian witchcraft around age 13, Phoenyx has also looked into Judaism, Tibetan Buddhism, Unitarian Universalism, Episcopal Christianity, Irish paganism, and more. At the same time they are also questioning their gender, with some terms they currently use including genderflux and nonbinary.



    Some of the things we discuss in this interview include: the need for LGBT+ therapists; challenges with associating with Christianity when a bigoted form of the faith is in the spotlight; the anxiety but also the richness that comes from living in a state of uncertainty regarding faith; the truth to be found in any religion; and what it means to be a valid trans person and how society tries to make each person "pick" between being gay or straight and to "pick" one gender, one faith.
    You can find Phoenyx at christ-haunted.tumblr.com or phoenyxoftheashes.tumblr.com. The post that the mention in the interview that explores what the Bible says about witchcraft can be read here: http://phoenyxoftheashes.tumblr.com/post/111134370022/doesnt-the-bible-forbid-witchcraft-and-magic  


    46 min

About Blessed Are the Binary Breakers

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Avery Arden (they/ze, MDiv) joins with guests of various genders & religious backgrounds to break down every human binary — from male/female to light/dark, and from faith/doubt to sacred/profane. Between & beyond dualistic divides, what collective liberation can we imagine into being, together?