https://oembed.libsyn.com/embed?item_id=15597512 IDEO is a design studio known for designing the Apple mouse and championing design thinking in Silicon Valley in the 90s. Today, IDEO CoLab invests and helps DeFi projects find product market fit. Managing Director Ian Lee (@ianjohnlee) joins me in discussing:Finding product-market fit for Layer 1s and DeFiHow design thinking benefits founders in crypto How IDEO works with DeFi startups Host: Jason Choi (@MrJasonChoi). If you enjoyed the show, consider tipping! This show is not financial advice; show host and guest may hold some of the assets discussed. BTC: 3EFSLnPpme6Lo6DynN1bVV9owooueFvEmJETH: 0xdec40AA30B9C562aB4b839529BfC290C1B5Da61E