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 Summary 

 Mishna Continued: 

The same procedure was followed on Shabbos, only, they would fill a golden keg that was not consecrated, and place it in the Lishka. They would draw water from there on Shabbos.

If the water spilled, or if it was exposed overnight, (In Ereyz Yisroel and Bavel there was a concern that a reptile may have deposited venom in the water and it wasn’t used if it had been left out overnight), they would use water from the Kiyor, since exposed wine or water is unfit for the mizbeach. 

 Gemara: 

 Question: What is the source for these matters?

 Rav Eina: As the verse states “With joy [Sasson] you shall draw water”.

There were two minim [this generally means Christians], one named Sasson and one named Simcha. Sasson said to Simcha: I am superior to you, as it is written: “They shall obtain Sasson and Simcha”. Sasson is mentioned first. [The ridiculous logic here is paralleled whenever the New Testament writers seek to bring proofs from the Scripture]. Simcha said to Sasson, On the contrary, I am superior to you, as it is written: “There was Simcha and Sasson for the Jews”. Sasson said to Simcha: One day they will dismiss you and render you a messenger boy, as it is written: “For you shall go out with Simcha”. Simcha said to Sasson: One day they will dismiss you and draw water with you, as it is written: “With Sasson you shall draw water.”

 Sasson to Rabbi Abahu: You are all destined to draw water for me in the World to Come, as it is written: “With Sasson you shall draw water.”

 Rabbi Abahu: If it had been written: “For Sasson”, it would have been as you say [Rabbi Abahu here is following the principle of ‘answer a fool with his foolishness’]; now that it is written: “With Sasson”, it means that we will make a leather flask from your skin, and we will draw water with it.

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 Summary 

 Mishna: 

The mitzvah of Nisuch Hamayim was as follows: They would fill a gold pitcher with 3 lug of water from the Shiloach.

When they arrived at Shaar Hamayim they would blast tekiah, teruah, tekiah (a sign of simcha). 

The kohen would ascend the kevesh and turn to his left (usually they would only turn right) where there were two silver basins set into the top of the mizbeach. 

Rabbi Yehuda: Actually they were made of lime but blackened by the wine.

The basins were perforated like two thin nostrils (According to Rashi they flowed from the basins onto the mizbeach where the “nostrils” were. According to Tosfos the “nostrils” were inside the basins). One hole was thicker, and one was thinner, so that the wine [of Nisuch Hayayin] and water would drain at the same time. 

The western bowl was for the water, and the eastern bowl was for the wine.

If the water was poured into the wine basin, or vice versa, it is okay.

 Rabbi Yehuda: All eight days (the Tanna Kamma only discusses the seven days of sukkos) 1 lug is poured.

They would tell the kohen who was pouring “pick up your hand” so that they can see him pouring. [This is because some kohanim would show disdain to the mitzvah by pouring the water over their feet]. It once happened that someone [this refers to Yannai, the Hasmonean/Saducee king who instigated a massacre at that time] poured the water over his feet and the multitude pelted him with their esrogim.

38.4 - Sukkah Daf 48 A (Middle)

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 Summary 

 Mishna: 

 When one is done eating in the sukkah on the seventh day, he shouldn’t dismantle his sukkah. From mincha time on, he should bring his things down (the sukkah was always on the roof) in honor of the Yom Tov of Shemini Atzeres. 

 Gemara: 

 Question: What if he doesn’t have anything to bring down?

 Challenge: How did he eat there for seven days if he doesn’t have anything there?

 Resolution: The question was: What if he doesn’t have a home to bring things into [and staying in the sukkah in Eretz Yisroel may be a problem of Bal Tosif]? 

 Rabbi Chiya bar Ashi: He can break open 4x4 tefachim of schach*.

 Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi: He can light a lamp there.

 These two opinions are in agreement with each other, only that Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi is in Eretz Yisroel where the sukkah is no longer needed and Rabbi Chiya bar Ashi is in Bavel.

 Challenge: A lamp in the sukkah signifies that one no longer cares for the sukkah in a small sukkah, but in a large sukkah where one is not afraid that it will burn down, one can bring in a lamp even on Yom Tov?

 Resolution: In a large sukkah he can bring the pots and pans into the sukkah as taught by Rava (24.1): Drinking vessels may remain in the sukkah but eating vessels should remain outside of the sukkah. 

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* Rashash: Although airspace of 3 tefachim invalidates the sukkah, here this person might cover the hole with something, thus the hole must be 4 tefachim.

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 Summary 

 Question: What is the bottom line in the discussion of shehechyanu on Shemini Atzeres. Is it recited or not?

 Rav Nachman: It is recited.

 Rav Sheshes: It is not recited.

 The Halacha: It is recited. 

A beraisa supporting Rav Nachman: 

 Shemini Atzeres is its own Yom Tov with regard to the halachos alluded to by the acronym Pazer Keshev: It has its own Payes (Sukkos has many korbanos and it follows a certain order, but Shemini Atzeres only has one Korban), Zman (The bracha of shehechyanu), it is its own Regel (With regard to: either the mitzvah of Sukkah, which is no longer practiced. Or, mentioning it by name in Tefillah and Brachos), it is unique in Korban, it is unique in Shirah (37.6) and it is unique in Bracha (With regard to: mentioning it by name in Tefillah and Brachos. Or, the bracha upon the Melech). 

 Mishna: 

 All eight days of Sukkos are equally obligated in Hallel (Hallel in the gemara never refers to half hallel, which is only a minhag discovered by Rav in part of Bavel) and Simcha (to partake in meat of the Shlamim). One is obligated in Hallel, Simcha and Kavod of the last day, just like all the previous days.

 Gemara: 

 Question: What is the source for the law of Simcha on Shemini Atzeres?

 Beraisa: “[You shall rejoice for seven days] and you shall only be joyful” - This [repetition] teaches that the night of Shemini Atzeres (which follows Yom Tov immediately, it surely includes the day of Shemini Atzeres as well) is included in the obligation of Simcha.

Perhaps it comes to include the first night of Yom Tov (that one must bring a shlamim on erev Yom Tov so as to have meat on the first night of Yom Tov)? 

But the possuk precludes that by the word “only”.

Why should we omit the first night but include the last night?

We omit the first night because it would mean bringing a korban before Yom Tov but we include the last night because it is preceded by Yom Tov.

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Rabbi Yochanan: The shehechyanu blessing is recited on Shemini Atzeres.

A proof was attempted from the beraisa “Rabbi Yehuda: Shemini Atzeres requires Korban, Shir, Bracha and Linah”. It would seem that “Bracha” means Shehechyanu.

The gemara rejects this and says instead that it is referring to Birkas Hamazon and Tefillah.

 Summary 

 It would seem so: Because if it means shehechyanu, how do you explain the beginning of the beraisa “All seven days of Sukkos require Bracha”, only the first day requires a shehechyanu? 

 Response: It could mean that if someone missed the shehechyanu, he can make up for it all week.

 Challenge: But the shehechyanu has to be made as part of kiddush, which is only possible on the first night?

 Suggestion: Perhaps this is a proof to Rabbi Nachman.

 Rabbi Nachman: The shehechyanu blessing can be recited even on the street [without wine].

 Response: It is not necessarily a proof, perhaps the Chachomim of the beraisa are discussing a case where he has wine.

 Challenge: Does Rabbi Yehuda hold that Shemini requires Linah?

 Beraisa: Rabbi Yehuda: Pesach Sheini does not require Linah because it states “In the morning [after Linah] you shall return to your homes, for six days you shall eat Matzoh” so we see that only what requires six days requires Linah.

So it seems that in addition to excluding Pesach Sheini, he excludes Shemini Atzeres as well (it would seem to exclude Shavuos as well). 

 Resolution: It excludes only Pesach Sheini.

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 Rabbi Yochanan: The shehechyanu blessing is recited on Shemini Atzeres. 

 Summary 

 A Proof: “The Parim Eilim and Kvasim all constitute sets, if one of them is missing the entire category of Korban cannot be brought.

 Rabbi Yehuda: The Parim do not constitute a set since their number is not constant and diminishes each day.

 They said to him: The Eilim and Kvasim also diminish on Shemini Atzeres!

 Rabbi Yehuda: Shemini is a separate Yom Tov. Just as the seven days of Sukkos require Korban [according to a certain order], Shir [the shir on sukkos discussed helping the poor], Bracha [it seems it requires a shehechyanu], and Linah [anyone who brings a korban must sleep over in Yerushalayim that night], so too, Shemini Atzeres requires Korban, Shir, Bracha and Linah”

So it seems that Shemini Atzeres requires a Shehechyanu. 

 Response: No, it is referring to Birkas Hamazon and Tefillah.

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 Summary 

 Rabbi Yochanan: The shehechyanu blessing is recited on the last day of Sukkos [Shemini Atzeres, because it’s considered a new Yom Tov] but not on the last day of Pesach.

 Rabbi Levi bar Chama some say Rabbi Chama bar Chanina: You can know that this is so because Shemini Atzeres is different from the rest of Sukkos in three ways: Sukkah, Lulav and Nisuch Hamayim. These mitzvos are not done on Shemini Atzeres.

And according to Rabbi Yehuda that a lug was poured on all days (according to the Tanna Kamma 3 lug were poured on the first seven days only) including Shemini Atzeres, it is different in two ways. 

 Challenge: If so, a shehechyanu should be recited on Shvi’i Shel Pesach too, since it is different in the matter of Matzah, as we learned “On the first night there is an obligation to eat matzah even if one is not hungry, for the rest of Yom Tov there’s no obligation”.

 Resolution: What’s the comparison? Shvi’i Shel Pesach is only different from the beginning of Yom Tov at night but its day is not different from the preceding days. Shemini Atzeres is different from all days of Sukkos. (The following Amoraim are not arguing, they’re all adding). 

 Ravina: Shemini Atzeres is different from the day before, Shvi’i Shel Pesach is only different from the beginning of Yom Tov.

 Rav Papa: On Shemini Atzeres only a single Par is brought as opposed to the prior days where multiple Parim are brought.

 Rav Nachman bar Yitzchok: With regard to Shemini Atzeres the possuk begins “On the eighth day”, but with regard to all other days the possuk begins “ And on the ___ day”

 Rav Ashi: With regard to Shemini Atzeres the possuk says “According to its procedure”, but with regard to the seventh day the possuk says “According to their procedure”, to sum up all the prior days.

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 Rabbi Yochanan: An esrog is muktzeh all day on Hoshana Rabbah, but may be handled on Shemini Atzeres. The sukkah is forbidden even on Shemini Atzeres.

 Reish Lakish: The esrog is permissible even on Hoshana Rabbah. 

Reish Lakish holds the esrog is only set aside for the duration of the mitzvah, afterwards it is permissible. Rabbi Yochanan holds that muktzeh cannot apply to part of a day, and it is muktzeh all day. 

 Summary 

 Rabbi Zeira: One shouldn’t give his arba minim to a child on the first day of Yom Tov [before the father was yotzei]. The reason for this is since a child can acquire but cannot give away, the father will thus be taking arba minim that belong to the child.

 Rabbi Zeira: One should never tell a child that he will give him something and then fail to follow through because he is training him that it’s okay to lie, as the possuk states “They trained themselves to lie”.

 We Learned: If one set aside seven esrogim , one for each day of Yom Tov.

 Rav Asi [following the girsa of the Bach]: He can eat it immediately after doing the mitzvah each day (following the opinion of Reish Lakish). 

 Rav: Each esrog can be eaten on the day after it was used for the mitzvah (following the opinion of Rabbi Yochanan). 

 Rav Asi holds the esrog is only set aside for the duration of the mitzvah, afterwards it is permissible. Rav holds that muktzeh cannot apply to part of a day, and it is muktzeh all day. 

 In Chutz La’aretz: 

 Abayye: It is forbidden on Shemini Atzeres as well because it is a safek shevi’i. 

 Mereimar: It is permissible on Shemini Atzeres even for us in Chutz La’aretz.

In Sura they followed Mereimar. Rav Shisha brei d’Rav Idi followed Abayye. The halacha follows Abayye.

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Large stems of Aravah were brought from a place called Motza, in the valley below Yerushalayim.

Summary

We begin now the sugya of muktzah machmas mitzvah: If something is set aside for a mitzvah, it may not be handled for any other purpose.

Rabbi Yochanan: An esrog is muktzeh all day on Hoshana Rabbah (although it’s technically a weekday, there is still a “muktzeh”), but may be handled on Shemini Atzeres. The sukkah is forbidden even on Shemni Atzeres (this is because the sukkah is used all day, including the time of bein hashmashos which may already be the beginning of Shemini Atzeres).

 Reish Lakish: The esrog is permissible even on Hoshana Rabbah. 

Their argument is as follows: Reish Lakish holds the esrog is only set aside for the duration of the mitzvah, afterwards it is permissible. Rabbi Yochanan holds that muktzeh cannot apply to part of a day, and it is muktzeh all day. 

 Reish Lakish challenged Rabbi Yochanan from the mishna (35.6): “They would snatch the lulavim from the hands of the children and eat their esrogim”. So it seems that anyone can eat esrogim on Hoshana Rabbah because they are no longer muktzeh? 

 Response: The mishna is discussing children specifically (either that their esrogim can be eaten since their mitzvah is not really a mitzvah, or that they can eat the esrogim).

 Some say: Rabbi Yochanan challenged Reish Lakish from the mishna (35.6): “They would snatch the lulavim from the hands of the children and eat their esrogim”. So it seems that only children can eat esrogim on Hoshana Rabbah but for adults, they’re muktzeh? 

 Response: The mishna does not intend to specify children, it is merely recording the custom of the children.