RSR needs Adobe Framemaker help for a very important, even historic, creation project! If you are good at Framemaker, please email [email protected]. Thanks! * Bob & Friend vs. Resasons To Believe Scientists: Fifteen years ago in front of a liveB audience Bob Enyart and a friend debated scientists with the Denver chapter of Hugh Ross' old-earth Reasons to Believe group. This was in the early days of Bob's focus on creation and evolution. With a Christian high school teacher, Bob debated a geophysicist and a CU mathematician. The full Age of the Earth Debate on disc and download is still available and includes Bob's written notes. * The Opponents: Bob debated mathematics professor Gordon Brown, from the University of Colorado in Boulder and the late John Nicholl, former president of EEGS, Environmental and Engineering Geophysical Society. * The Physicist Witness: An atheist physicist named "The Phy", well known from his  presence on TheologyOnline.com, traveled from Seattle to Denver for the debate. Upon his return to Seattle he posted on TOL that even though he utterly disagreed with them, the young-earthers clearly won the debate. * Debate Aftermath and the 770,000 Dead: Immediately after the event, John Nicholl asked Enyart, "If the earth really were young, and had recently experienced a global flood, that would mean that geologists should give governments greater warnings about earthquake risks. So do you think we should do that?" Bob answered yes, governments should be warned of risks greater than that predicted by old-earth assumptions for earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. The 9-11 attack left was about 3,000 dead from terrorism and since governments have spent trillions to minimize further such deaths. In contrast, for the casualties in the years since Bob's debate with Reasons 2 Believe more than 770,000 people have died from earthquakes. (See this documented at rsr.org/earthquakes.)