Surprise! It's a bonus episode - who says no to Sue Bird? First, K&K grapple over who's responsible for a recent failed idiom (things escalate quickly). Then, WNBA superstar Sue Bird joins to discuss why people tear down women's sports, how stopping comparisons to the NBA might help, and her power couple status with USWNT star Megan Rapinoe.

BONUS COOKIES with SUE BIRD

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Dear Listener: WHAT IS TIME? 2024 is upon us, so we decided to make your 
holiday book shopping seamless with Amazon Books senior editor Seira Wilson 
who shares her top five books with Inky Phoenix appeal from their annual 
list. Kate and Kathryn gab about the acquisition of Inky Phoenix Press 
first book and the enjoyment of saying the word listicle. In Bonus content: 
Kate and Kathryn share their Top 3 list: favorite book, tv show, and wild 
card of 2023!

BEST BOOKS OF 2023 with AMAZON BOOKS’ SEIRA WILSON

We’re thrilled to have Michelle Davis (queen of the Bad Manners recipe 
empire) back on the pod to celebrate the launch of their newest cookbook: 
HUNGRY AS HELL. And being that Kathryn and Kate are always hungry as hell, 
they open with a discussion of Kathryn’s prolific cooking, Kate’s kitchen 
manager skills, and where she could do better. Michelle talks food, 
satiating her hunger, and finding true love with her wife.

BAD MANNERS COOKIES with MICHELLE DAVIS

Imagine a world where a doctor says: you’re morphing into a great white shark. That’s the wild premise of our guest’s debut novel, Shark Heart: A Love Story. Kate and Kathryn open by contemplating what creatures they would most want (and not want) to morph into, followed by a delightful conversation with Emily Habeck about her theatrical background, dealing with rejection, and the inspiration for this gorgeously imaginative novel.

ANIMAL COOKIES with SHARK HEART author EMILY HABECK

Thought you’d seen the last of us, huh? After a two-year hiatus we are BACK right in time for Kathryn to launch Inky Phoenix Press! That’s right y’all, The Inky Phoenix is now a subscription platform (think Patreon for book lovers) made possible through Bindery Books. Co-founders Matt Kaye and Meghan Harvey join us to explain this revolutionary publishing model, how it came to be, and what to expect as a member. And as always, Kate and Kathryn kick things off with some playful banter about what they’ve been up to in the last few years.

PHOENIX COOKIES with Bindery Founders MATT KAYE and MEGHAN HARVEY

Kathryn and Kate open up about the inner workings of their relationship while Kate wrote her latest book, ALL THE COLORS CAME OUT, and the pair brings on Kate’s mom while the show is rolling. (Oh, oh, and many jokes are had about the size of Kate’s ego!)


BONUS COOKIES with SUE BIRD

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