Danny and Derek speak with Charli Carpenter, professor at UMass-Amherst, about US influence on the “rules-based order”. They discuss whether this “system” has become the US unilaterally delegating the rules, how the Biden administration undercut any remaining semblance of these norms, America’s cynical use of this concept in a context like Ukraine, the decline of mass politics in foreign policy decision-making, what mechanism might exist to stop rogue actors like Trump, and more. 

Read Charli's article, "The Rules-Based Order Is Less Dependent on the U.S. Than Biden’s Critics Think".

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