Danny and Derek speak with Jasper Craven, a reporter covering the military and veterans' issues, about masculinity and the military. They talk about Trump’s time in military school, how his relationship with masculinity has affected his approach to business and politics, Pete Hegseth and his military identity, soldiers’ “honor codes” and subverting the rules, how notions of masculinity change between Trump and Hegseth’s generations, Graham Platner and how his military service affected him, the emergence of the “warrior ethos,” how the liberal left’s denunciations of Platner relate to the military, and the White House UFC fight.

Be sure to grab a copy of Jasper’s book ⁠God Forgives, Brothers Don't: The Long March of Military Education and the Making of American Manhood⁠.

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