In this episode we find ourselves reflecting on something simple but surprisingly difficult: boredom.

We talk about the urge to fill every empty moment—often with our phones—and what it might mean to slow down enough to stay present with what’s actually happening in our lives. The conversation moves through stimulation, peak experiences, healing, and the difference between trying to fix pain and learning how to be with it.

Along the way Mushky shares the story of her long-standing fear of dogs and how that relationship gradually shifted over time, including through experiences with psychedelics that changed how she related to fear in her body.

It’s a conversation about presence, fear, healing, and the quieter parts of life that are easy to overlook but may hold more than we realize.