In this episode we find ourselves moving through phones, distraction, anticipation, phobias, psychedelics, yoga, Shabbos, nervous systems, and the quiet moments of life we’re usually so quick to escape. What are we actually avoiding when we fill every empty space? What gets lost when we remove the in-between?

Mushky shares the story of her long-standing fear of dogs and how that fear gradually softened over several years, primarily through experiences with psychedelics that changed how her body related to what once felt threatening.

From there the conversation opens into a larger exploration of presence, pain, and the difference between trying to get rid of discomfort and learning how to be with it.

More than anything, this episode explores a deeper possibility: that much of what we call healing may simply be learning how to stay with what is already here.