Kim and Jamie talk about parenting from both sides of the fence. 

Kim talks about getting her DOC number and some of the memorable things that have stuck with her.

Jamie talks about how he got his number 347847.

Kim and Jamie talk about how they met, their professional relationship, and now their partnership.

Jamie talks about what it feels like to be a free man and recognize his worth and Kim talks about how it feels to be free from her role as a PO.  

Kim has seen and heard it all from her personal to professional life.  She will give the view from the side of the fence about the law and the Department Of Corrections, even though she does not always agree on how things are done.  Kim is here to help EVERYONE!

Jamie will bring the inside prospective of a man who was once a number on the inside and is now learning how to be a better man on the outside/ other side of the fence.  He was taught and believes that “Learning is an inner process”.  

At one point in his supervision Kim became Jamie’s supervising Agent.  They built a trusting professional relationship, as each one learned about the other side of the fence!