Batting at four in a T20 match is a horrible position, so I found someone who had batted pretty much everywhere in T20 cricket, but spent most of his time at that hell position. Brad Hodge was in the first T20 match, won the first title, and then played it up until a few years ago when he stated coaching and commentating on it. Here we talk about facing gun spinners, why many players want to move up the order, and why he would retire a player who is batting too slow.

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