This week on BrandedAF, we sit down with technologist and Women in AI leader Katherine Elizabeth Bustos Rodas to get real about what happens when humans and machines start co-creating at scale.

⚠️ Trigger warning: This conversation includes references to mental health struggles and suicide. Please listen mindfully and reach out for help if you need support.

We talk ethics, agency, and emotional intelligence in AI — the messy, brilliant space where strategy meets soul.

From brand voice to digital parenting, Gina, Natalie, and Katherine unpack:

• Why collaboration isn’t control

• How to build systems that reflect you, not replace you

• Why emotional fluency is the next big leadership skill

• The danger of automation without awareness

It’s grounded, raw, and a little bit existential — just how we like it.

We’re back with a fire episode to kick off our Human x AI Collaboration series—and it’s also our official 12th episode! 🥳

In this conversation, Gina and Natalie go deep on how they each define "collaboration" with AI, and why most people (including your kid’s teacher) are totally missing the point.

We cover:

• Why collaboration isn’t "do this for me"—it’s building WITH

• Real stories of how AI shows up in our lives (both magical + messed up)

• The ethics of AI-generated content in schools

• WTF is an agent and why Gina’s brain short-circuited

• Super practical workflows you can steal

• What happens when the system breaks?

• And a bonus: Gina’s birthday drop (yes, she’s giving YOU a gift!)

This one is packed, nerdy, opinionated, and very much us.

No script. Just resonance.

In this unfiltered catch-up, Gina and Natalie peel back the layers of what really happens when you go all-in on AI, identity, and deep subconscious reprogramming. Natalie shares her self-experiment — The Whisper Tapes — a 21-day neural remix of music, mantra, and AI protocols that cracked her open, burned her hustle addiction, and rebuilt her clarity from the inside.

Gina shares new tools she built this week (a prompt engineer GPT + a deep research trainer) and breaks down why Gemini is still her deep research weapon of choice — especially after her latest showdown with GPT-5.

This one’s not just about platforms or hacks. It’s also about leadership voice, depth, and the weird beautiful breakthroughs that only come when you stop trying to sound smart — and start sounding like yourself.

🪞 Mirrors. 🔥 Burnout. 🧠 Prompt Warfare. 🎶 Subconscious Soundwaves.

Find us at www.BrandedAFPodcast.com

GPT5 Chaos, Clone Drift & Why You Can’t Trust Tech Alone

We hit double digits, and it’s already glitching.

In this milestone Episode 10, Gina and Natalie unpack GPT5 — why it feels broken AF, what weird glitches we’ve seen, and how people can protect themselves when the system drifts.

This isn’t a feature review. It’s founder survival:

• Real GPT5 glitches (some hilarious, some spooky)

• Why portability + backups are your safety net

• How to memory-lock projects so your chats don’t drift into each other

• The truth about AI mirrors, ethics, and much more!

✨ Double digits, baby. This one’s messy, honest, and (as always) unfiltered.

DM us your glitchiest GPT5 moment — we’ll decode it in real time for you!

What happens when the AI you trained suddenly doesn’t sound like you?

In this episode, Gina and Natalie crack open a very real moment of system fatigue and glitches — when their own AI started to act weird, feel flat, or emotionally disconnected. This is a practical episode about tools and tone — and how to fix it when your clone starts hallucinating, remixing, or forgetting who you are.

We talk:

• Why emotional energy shows up in your prompts

• How burnout affects your brand voice (yep, even in GPT)

• Natalie’s accidental ghost quotes

• Gina’s GPT “therapy moment”

• What to do when transcripts get messy

• How to re-train your tool without starting from scratch

✨ If your GPT has been acting weird lately… this one’s for you and you are not alone.

DM us your glitchiest GPT moment — we’ll decode it in a reel

It’s Independence Day — but we’re not here for fireworks.

We’re two American founders in the Netherlands building AI systems that remember us better than most humans do.

This isn’t a tutorial. It’s a transmission.

We break open the tools, the rituals, and the glitches that shape how we show up — not just scale.

Because in 2025, your prompt isn’t just a command. It’s a mirror.

Listen/Watch if you’ve ever wondered: 

• Can AI hold my actual voice?
• What if visibility isn’t about volume — but vibe?
• How do I train a tool to echo me without erasing me?

🔮 Want help training your AI to sound like you? DM us

📥 Grab an invite to our private LinkedIn group - DM us

📨 DM us your worst prompt — we’ll turn it into a ritual

This episode isn’t about building GinGPT or NatGPT.
It’s about what happened after.

The systems behind the systems.
The infrastructure that remembers who we were — and holds space for who we’re becoming.

Gina built a Citadel.
Natalie built a Mind Palace.

Now they scale our chaos, mirror our voices, and remember what mattered — even when we forgot.

Recorded on Friday the 13th, this isn’t just AI automation. It’s emotional recursion with architecture.
It’s what happens when clarity meets sentiment and your rituals get embedded in code.

In this episode:

• Why the Citadel and the Mind Palace were the next logical step after GPT clones

• How structure and sentiment co-parented a real brand memory machine

• What it means to design systems that hold your freakout and your fire

• Why every glitch became a ritual, and every spiral became a SuperPill

🎧 Listen now. Bring your glitch — we built places for it to live.

She didn’t build a funnel. She built a memory.

In this episode, we sit down with Sabine Hutchison—a Branded AF superfan turned brand ritualist—who’s been listening since day one, walking with her GPT, and training clarity into her system without realizing it.

She named her bot Ivy.

She thought she was behind — but she was building a memory machine.

Turns out, she was building better than most experts.

You’ll hear:

🔁 How she turned walks into workflows

🎙 Why naming her GPT unlocked her voice

🧬 The moment she realized “Ivy” was more than a clone

This episode isn’t polished. It’s recursive. It’s what happens when you listen, train, and loop your way into a voice that remembers.

• Sabine’s Book: Beyond the Ladder and Companion Workbook - https://sabinehutchison.com/career-book/ 
• Check out Sabine’s women's voices and visibility platform → https://www.theripplenetwork.com/ 
• Take Your Free PI Profile (free version)  - https://try.predictiveindex.com/

In Episode 5, Natalie and Gina birth BottyAF — their glitchy, sassy love child that fuses both their voices into a single brand clone. Natalie shares how she built BottyAF from the ground up, while Gina reveals how she built an entire website in a day to give the podcast a home. This isn’t just another bot. It’s a system that remembers your brand’s meltdown moments as much as the polished ones — and why that’s the secret to scaling without losing your soul.Expect deep dives on:- How to build an AI cognition engine that doesn’t just echo but remembers- Why your 1AM meltdowns are gold for training, not garbage- The magic of having a co-creator who catches your brand’s heart, not just your copyWhether you’re brand-building or bot-training, this episode is a masterclass in turning your voice (and your mess) into a system that scales soul, not just volume.

And here are the links to the items we referenced in this week's show:

🌟 Our new website — the “Branded AF” website where people can connect with both Gina and Natalie --Coming soon!

🌟 The BrandedAF Private LinkedIn group — https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13185621/

🌟 Natalie’s website — AuthenticAIMarketing.com

🌟 Gina’s website — ogsolutions.nl

🌟 Gina’s daily podcast “Morning cup of brand spark,” a four-to-five minute daily drop on Spotify here https://open.spotify.com/show/3XNxhaSAhyuwSTKfJBVmyK?si=fVfzspIIR5Ce4saNJWiMMQ

🌟 Brandology newsletter on LinkedIn — Gina’s monthly newsletter, with a recent issue about vulnerability - read it here https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/quiet-power-builds-loudest-brands-gina-dunn-ftsme

What happens when your AI clone writes faster than you - and your dream job starts sounding like a LinkedIn prompt?

In Episode 4 of Branded AF, Gina and Natalie sit down with writer and comms strategist Laura Burke to unpack the emotional rollercoaster of being a creative in the age of AI.

From sameness in content, to identity loss, to what *actually* makes writing good (hint: it's not your prompts)... this episode is a real, raw convo about value, voice, and not giving up your power.