In this episode of Branducation, I sit down with Kyle Lacy, Chief Marketing Officer at Docebo, for a candid conversation about the future of marketing in an AI-driven world.

As software features become easier and faster to copy, Kyle argues that product differentiation alone is no longer enough. The companies that win will be the ones that build meaningful narratives around their people, products, customers, and the outcomes they create. We explore why story, brand preference, and customer experience are becoming the true sources of competitive advantage.

Kyle shares his perspective on the tension between pipeline-driven performance marketing and long-term awareness building. We discuss why marketers need a seat at the strategic table, how CMOs can become more proactive and market-focused, and why businesses cannot rely on short-term attribution alone to create sustainable demand.

We also talk about the danger of treating marketing as nothing more than lead generation. From the first ad a prospect sees to onboarding, customer service, delivery, and retention, every interaction shapes the story people tell themselves about your business.

If you are a founder, CMO, marketer, or business leader trying to balance short-term revenue goals with long-term brand growth, this episode offers an honest look at where marketing is headed and what it will take to stay relevant.

About Kyle Lacy:

Kyle Lacy is a seasoned marketing executive with nearly two decades of experience leading high-growth software companies through scaling, transformation, and acquisition. As Chief Marketing Officer at Docebo, Kyle leads global brand strategy, demand generation, and go-to-market execution to accelerate growth and market leadership.

Before joining Docebo, Kyle served as CMO at Jellyfish, led marketing at Seismic as Senior Vice President of Marketing, and helped build Lessonly before its $300M acquisition by Seismic in 2021. His career also includes marketing leadership roles at OpenView, Salesforce, and ExactTarget.

Outside of work, Kyle is a father of two boys, an avid reader of World War II history, and the proud owner of a high-energy dog.

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In this episode of Branducation, I sit down with Professor Jenni Romaniuk, a leading expert in brand growth, consumer memory, and distinctive brand assets, to explore what it takes to build brands people remember.

In a world of constant content, rapid marketing decisions, and AI-generated messaging, Jenni explains why so many brands are becoming forgettable. We discuss the importance of mental availability, what businesses should measure to understand consumer perceptions, and why research matters when making brand decisions.

Jenni also shares her perspective on AI as a tool to support efficiency, not replace human creativity or brand voice. We explore why relevance often matters more than differentiation, how emotional and rational decision-making work together, and what businesses should consider before making major changes to their logo, packaging, or identity.

If you are building a brand, planning a rebrand, or looking for more effective ways to stand out in a crowded market, this episode offers practical, evidence-based insights to help your brand grow.

About Jenni Romaniuk

Jenni Romaniuk is the International Director of the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute for Marketing Science and a leading authority on brand equity, mental availability, advertising effectiveness, brand health, and distinctive assets.

She is the author of Building Distinctive Brand Assets and Better Brand Health, and co-author of How Brands Grow Part 2 — Revised with Professor Byron Sharp. Her work helps organizations apply marketing science to build stronger, more memorable brands.

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In this episode of Branducation, I sit down with branding strategist and entrepreneur Zachary Jarvis for a conversation about why personal branding has become one of the most valuable assets anyone can build in today's digital world.

The internet has fundamentally changed how businesses grow and how people create opportunities. For the first time in history, individuals can compete with established companies by building trust, sharing their expertise, and creating meaningful content online. Zachary explains why we're living in the era of the individual, why authenticity is becoming more valuable as AI-generated content floods the internet, and how personal brands are quickly becoming more influential than corporate brands.

Together, we discuss what personal branding actually is, why so many people struggle to find their voice, and the biggest mistakes aspiring creators make when getting started. They also explore why consistency beats perfection, how defining your "why" prevents burnout, and why choosing a clear niche is often the fastest path to long-term growth.

If you're an entrepreneur, business owner, creator, executive, or simply looking to stand out in your career, this episode is packed with practical advice for building a personal brand that creates opportunities for years to come.

About Zachary Jarvis:

Zachary Jarvis is a branding strategist, entrepreneur, and content creator who helps businesses and individuals build authentic brands that stand out in an increasingly crowded digital landscape. His work focuses on personal branding, storytelling, and creating content that builds trust, authority, and long-term business growth.

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In this episode of Branducation, I sit down with Kent Lewis for a wide-open conversation on AI, the future of work, and why most businesses are completely misunderstanding what this technology is actually good for.

From Oracle’s controversial 30,000-person layoff announcement to the growing fear around AI replacing entire industries, this conversation cuts through the hype and focuses on reality. Kent explains why AI is better understood as a force multiplier rather than a full replacement, and why the businesses winning with AI right now are the ones using it to enhance human capability, not eliminate it.

Together, we explore how job roles are evolving across marketing, design, coding, and leadership, why the industry is becoming creatively “samey,” and how over-optimization and obsession with metrics have drained the humanity out of branding. We also break down practical ways to use AI for ideation, reporting, legal workflows, and productivity without sacrificing originality or strategic thinking.

If you’ve been wondering which jobs are actually at risk, how AI will reshape marketing and branding, or how to stay valuable in an increasingly automated world, this episode delivers a grounded, practical perspective most people are missing.

About Kent Lewis:

Kent Lewis is a digital marketing strategist, entrepreneur, and founder of Next Northwest, a Pacific Northwest-based creative and business community. With decades of experience in SEO, digital strategy, and emerging technology, Kent helps organizations navigate the intersection of marketing, innovation, and human-centered business growth. He is also the founder of Anvil Media and a longtime advocate for ethical, strategic adoption of AI in business.

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In this episode of Branducation, I sit down with Peter Shankman, entrepreneur, bestselling author, keynote speaker, and founder of HARO (Help A Reporter Out), for a conversation on attention, customer experience, media relations, AI, and what it really takes to stand out in a world where expectations have never been lower.

Peter shares his belief that the bar for excellence today is shockingly low, and that businesses can create massive competitive advantages simply by doing the basics better than everyone else. From customer service and brand building to networking and visibility, he explains why success often comes down to "sucking slightly less" than the competition.

Together, we explore what makes a great media pitch, why most companies misunderstand public relations, and how Peter built one of the largest professional networks in the world by mastering a skill that most people completely overlook: listening. We also dive into the role AI should play in business, where it's creating real value, where it's creating problems, and why using it as a substitute for original thinking is a dangerous mistake.

If you've ever wondered how to get media attention without a massive budget, how to build stronger professional relationships, why customer experience is still one of the biggest competitive advantages available, or how to use AI without losing your humanity, this episode delivers practical insights from someone who has spent decades helping businesses earn attention the right way.

Peter Shankman is an entrepreneur, author, speaker, and founder of Help A Reporter Out (HARO), the platform that revolutionized how journalists and sources connect. He is also the founder of Source of Sources (SOS), a bestselling author, and an internationally recognized keynote speaker. Known for his expertise in public relations, customer experience, networking, and personal branding, Peter has spent decades helping businesses and individuals leverage attention and visibility into meaningful growth opportunities.

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In today’s episode of Branducation, Kathleen Booth and I break down why AI is making branding more important than ever, and why the companies that win in the future will be the ones that know how to combine technology with authentic human connection.

From her journey as a marketing agency founder to her role as VP of Marketing at SQL.io, Kathleen shares a unique perspective on the evolution of modern marketing, the convergence of demand generation and brand building, and the growing importance of trust in an AI-saturated world. As content becomes easier to create, standing out is becoming harder, and this conversation explores what businesses need to do about it.

We also dive into Kathleen’s practical approach to AI adoption, including her "bookend strategy" for using generative AI, where humans provide the thinking and final judgment while AI helps accelerate execution. From content creation and thought leadership to personal branding and executive visibility, we unpack the opportunities and risks facing marketers right now.

If you’ve ever wondered how to use AI without sounding like everyone else, why personal brands are becoming a competitive advantage, or how to build trust when content is becoming increasingly commoditized, this episode delivers a practical roadmap for navigating the future.

Kathleen Booth is the VP of Marketing at SQL.io, a longtime marketing leader, former agency founder, and thought leader focused on the intersection of AI, branding, and demand generation. Prior to SQL.io, she led marketing and sales at Pavilion, one of the largest communities for go-to-market leaders, and spent more than a decade building and scaling her own agency before successfully exiting. Through her writing and content, Kathleen helps marketers understand how to leverage emerging technologies without sacrificing authenticity, trust, or human connection.

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In today’s episode of Branducation, Bob Young and I break down what actually drives long-term business success, and why most companies are solving the wrong problems.

From building Red Hat into one of the most influential companies in tech to running a completely different kind of business in needlepoint, Bob shares a consistent philosophy: business is not about products, it’s about understanding people and solving real human problems. This conversation unpacks why so many companies miss that, and how that mistake shows up in everything from pricing to positioning.

We also get into why “nice guys finish last” is one of the biggest lies in business, how flipping the org chart changes everything about how teams perform, and why giving people control over their work leads to better outcomes. From leadership and team building to customer insight and decision-making, this episode is a masterclass in fundamentals that most businesses have forgotten.

If you’ve ever wondered why some companies consistently outperform others, how to actually understand what your customers need, or why the best businesses don’t sell products, they sell outcomes, this episode delivers clarity most people overlook.

About Bob Young:

Bob Young is the founder and former CEO of Red Hat, one of the pioneers of the open-source software movement. Known for his unconventional thinking on leadership, team building, and customer-first business strategy, Bob has built multiple successful ventures by focusing on people, empathy, and solving meaningful problems. His approach challenges traditional business structures and emphasizes simplicity, trust, and real value creation.

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In today’s episode of Branducation, me and Peter Jude Ricciardi break down why most businesses don’t actually have a marketing problem, they have a brand clarity problem.

From Peter’s 15-year background at Disney to building Brandartica, we dive into what he calls “brand fog” and how signal drift quietly destroys growth by creating inconsistent messaging, confused positioning, and wasted marketing spend. This isn’t about doing more, it’s about fixing what’s already broken.

We also get into why businesses became overly dependent on tactics, how the internet shifted marketing away from strategy, and why AI is accelerating both the good and the bad depending on how you use it. If your messaging feels scattered or your marketing isn’t converting, this conversation will show you exactly where to look first.

If you’ve ever wondered why throwing more ads, more content, or more tactics isn’t working, or how to actually build a brand people understand and trust, this episode delivers the clarity most businesses are missing.

About Peter Jude Ricciardi:

Peter is the founder of Brandartica and a former Disney brand strategist with over 15 years of experience in production, branding, and strategy. He specializes in building brand identity and messaging systems that eliminate confusion, align communication, and create immediate trust with customers. His “lock story to signal” approach helps businesses fix their foundation before scaling their marketing.

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In today’s episode of Branducation, me and David Mantica break down the real state of AI in business, what companies are getting completely wrong, and how to actually use these tools without wasting time, money, or resources. From failed large-scale AI rollouts to unused enterprise licenses, we unpack why most organizations rushed in without a strategy and what they should have done instead.

We also discuss the difference between AI hype and real use cases, why most teams were never properly trained, and how simple frameworks like policies, constraints, and focused use cases can unlock real productivity. From personal workflows to enterprise-level automation, this conversation cuts through the noise and gives you a practical way to think about AI today.

If you’ve been wondering where to start with AI, how to avoid common mistakes, or how this technology will actually impact your business over the next few years, this episode delivers clarity in a space filled with confusion.

About David Mantica:

David Mantica is the Managing Director of SoftEd, a corporate training company that works with Fortune 1000 organizations on technology, leadership, and AI adoption. With over 30 years in the training and consulting space, David specializes in helping businesses implement practical, high-impact strategies across marketing, operations, and emerging technologies. He also serves as a fractional CMO and advisor, bringing deep experience in navigating highly competitive industries and driving measurable business outcomes.

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In today’s episode of Branducation, me and Arjen “Klink” Klinkenberg dive into the inside story of how Tony's Chocolonely went from a PR stunt by three journalists to one of the most recognizable and purpose-driven brands in the world.

We break down how outrage turned into opportunity, why simplicity beats complexity in brand building, and how consistency, storytelling, and word-of-mouth helped scale a company impacting tens of thousands of cocoa farmers globally. From designing a logo in minutes to turning lawsuits into marketing moments, this episode is a masterclass in building a brand that actually stands for something.

We also discuss why not knowing the “rules” can be an advantage, how strong brands balance impact with growth, and what founders today can learn about building something meaningful without overthinking every step. Whether you’re a business owner, marketer, or creative, this conversation will challenge how you think about branding and what it really takes to connect.

About Arjen “Klink” Klinkenberg:

Klink is a creative director and brand builder best known for his 20-year journey with Tony’s Chocolonely, where he helped shape the brand from its earliest days into a globally recognized movement. From designing the original logo and packaging to helping define its bold, unapologetic voice, Klink played a key role in building one of the most distinctive brands in modern consumer goods. Today, he works with companies to create brands that are not only different, but actually mean something.

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