Comedian David O'Doherty talks about his MICF show You Have To Laugh; singer and comedian Lady Rizo chats about Red, White and Indigo, her cabaret show about "bad boyfriend" America; human rights lawyer Julian Burnside talks about HRAFF film Border Politics; the team talks about going to sleepovers as both kids and adults, and a chat about merchandising turns into a discussion about a new cosmetic line from Jeff - "Sparrow's Mud". With Sarah Smith, Jeff Sparrow, and Geraldine Hickey.