Future Perfect

Journalist, author and long-time Triple R subscriber George Megalogenis joins host Dylan Bird to discuss his new book Three Shocks: Who We Are Becoming In The 21st Century.

It looks at the transformative shifts that are changing Australia's self-identity and the huge implications for the country's politics.

"The middle class is clearly not White anymore, and it's clearly not male. And its not an aspirational battler, as John Howard used to define his sort of ex-Labor voter that he picked up in outer metropolitan [areas] and in the regions. So that part of Australia, 'real Australia', middle Australia, is not White. For our politics, that is the most profound thing."

 Kae Tempest is a person of deep feeling, with a rare ability to channel life's beauty, pain, and mysteries into moving works of art.

From his roots as an MC and spoken word artist on the London scene, he rose to critical acclaim in 2013 by winning the coveted Ted Hughes Prize for Poetry for the work Brand New Ancients. The following year, he was named the Next Generation Poet by the Poetry Book Society, a once in a decade honor. To go with his eight poetry collections, he's published four plays, one nonfiction essay, and released five albums, two of which have been nominated for the Mercury Music Prize.

In 2026, his track I Stand on the Line from a 2025 album, Self-Titled, won the Best Contemporary Song at the Ivor Novello Awards. In the same year he published his second novel, Having Spent Life Seeking. The story follows Rothco Taylor, who returns to their hometown after 15 years away, determined to find atonement and connection with the turbulent past they left behind. It's a story that explores gender identity, desire, and addiction, themes that overlap in some ways with Tempest's own life journey.

This conversation, recorded on the eve of Kae's Australian tour, explores what went into his recent novel and album, where inspiration comes from, and what it's like to be in touch with the world.

"My relationship with my work is so beautiful. To be creative is so necessary for all of us. We all have it. We all have this capacity to express ourselves and meet ourselves there in that place of creativity.  It's so abundantly powerful.

If I didn't have my writing, I couldn't imagine having got through life. Creativity has given me my life, and now I give my life to creativity. Music saved my life, now I give my life to music.”

In late 2023, Antoinette Lattouf had a five day contract to host the mornings program on ABC radio Sydney. It’d normally be a light and breezy week of broadcasting in the pre-Christmas wind down. Instead, it became the central flashpoint in a legal saga – when she was taken off air by management two days early, after reposting a Human Rights Watch report about Israel’s use of starvation as a weapon of war in Gaza. In response, Lattouf sued the ABC for unlawful termination – and won.

It was a huge result for the journalist personally, but also one of broader significance, throwing up questions around the power of the pro-Israel lobby, the integrity of ABC management’s decision making processes, and freedom of speech.

Antoinette’s new book is called Women Who Win, and it places her struggle in a larger context - of women throughout history who have taken on authority. It’s part memoir, part roadmap for change, asking what it takes to succeed when the odds and systems are stacked against you.

“[Establishment media are] so concerned about advertisers or lobby groups – like the ABC running scared of the next attack by the Murdoch Press or the chain of complaints from pro-Israel lobbyists or gas lobbyists … Are they really giving a voice to the voiceless, or are they just making power comfortable? And when journalism in this country walks alongside or in step with powerful institutions and people, then our democracy is in a bit of trouble."

Francesca Albanese is a human rights expert, legal scholar, and one of the world's most significant voices on Palestinian struggle.

As the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, she has spent years documenting what she and others, including the International Court of Justice, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International have described as genocide. This has made her a target for the pro-Israel lobby.

She’s been sanctioned by the US government, threatened with arrest in Germany, and has faced repeated death threats for her unwavering commitment to calling out Israel's attrociies.

Her new book is called While the World Sleeps: Stories, Words and Wounds of Palestine – its part memoir, told through the stories of ten people she’s met in her life and career as legal expert on Palestine, and a rallying cry for the world to stop the horrors that the international human rights system is supposed to prevent.

In this conversation, she reflects on her life and career spent face to face with human suffering, the moral imperative to mobilise against genocide, and where she finds hope.

"Documenting human rights violations in a time of genocide are excrutiating for the mind, for the body....I've been swalling death and horrible things that humans have done to other humans for over three years now.

"The genocide has changed my life forever. I don't think there is a way to repair it other than being good, to being caring towards myself, towards my loved ones...I have two young children. Preserving my sanity is something that goes hand in hand with being their mum.

"I know that if all good people on Earth did what they could, and what they know they can do, the world will heal sooner than we think."

Louis Theroux's new Netflix documentary Inside the Manosphere has refocused public attention on how toxic masculinity is incubated online. But what whappens when these often violent, sexist attitudes towards women and girls enter the schoolyard?

Dr Stephanie Wescott is a lecturer at Monash University who researches how manosphere figures like Andrew Tate influence gender attitudes in schools. Her new co-authored study reports on teachers' experiences of being harassed and targeted with intimidatory behaviour while at work - a pattern they say is getting worse. It paints a worrying picture of the education system's failure to properly address the problem.

Dr Wescott spoke about the study's findings and what can be done both to protect teachers and educate boys about respectful relationships.

"The level of violence, the visceral misogyny, and also the impunity or the brazenness with which young people can feel…entitled to do this to teachers…is pretty shocking."

Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia written collaboratively by volunteers across the world, has grown to become one of the most visited sites on the internet.

Dylan Bird is joined by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales to reflect on the origins of the website, how a radical idea of crowd-sourcing knowledge worked, toxicity on the internet, and what lessons we can draw from Wikipedia in countering division and building trust, as explored in his newest book The Seven Rules of Trust.

Jimmy will be in Melbourne for an in-conversation event through RMIT and The Wheeler Centre at The Capitol Theatre on May 20.

“At Wikipedia, the community has the tools to control the space … people respond well to that, and it sets a tone that we’re not supposed to be bashing each other; we’re supposed to be working together in a collegial way.”

Photo credit: Bloomsbury Publishing.

Yanis Varoufakis is an economist and former Greek finance minister. He’s also a best-selling author of titles including Talking to My Daughter: A Brief History of Capitalism, Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism, and his latest: Raise Your Soul: A Personal History of Resistance.

During his recent visit to Australia, Yanis sat down with Dylan Bird in the Triple R studios to share his thoughts on the US and Israel’s attack on Iran, the power of the Zionist lobby, the links between Israel and Big Tech, how we might combat the rise of right-wing populism, and Australia's response to Trump's bullying on the world stage.

“The mind-numbing cowardice of Anthony Albanese and his government is going to stay as an albatross around the neck of Australia for decades.”

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Although the podcast format of Future Perfect has now wrapped, this show continues to be broadcast on Triple R. You can now listen to new episodes on Triple R’s FM On Demand service at rrr.org.au/explore/programs/future-perfect.

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On this year’s final episode of Future Perfect, Dylan is joined by David Manne, Executive Director of Refugee Legal, to explore the federal government's new suite of measures cracking down on refugees and asylum seekers. (1:06)

Dr Jordana Silverstein, Senior Research Fellow in the Peter McMullin Centre on Statelessness at The University of Melbourne, gives an overview of her new podcast Being Stateless which draws together oral history interviews with people experiencing statelessness in Australia. (22:58)

NITV journalist Rudi Maxwell unpacks the federal government’s recent apology to Aboriginal victims of wage theft in the Northern Territory, following the settlement of a class action lawsuit for more than $200 million. (40:29)

Plus, Tony Wilson, author and founder of Speakola, drops in to recap the best speeches from 2024. (52:45)

And finally, Alex Macfarlane and Mikey Young of local band The Green Child stop by to chat about their new album Look Familiar, their creative process, and more. (1:17:37)

Content warning: this episode contains discussion of gendered violence. If you find any of this distressing, you can seek support via 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732.

Dylan is joined by Dr Stephanie Wescott, Lecturer in the School of Education, Culture and Society at Monash University, to discuss the interventions that could address young men and boys being susceptible to the manosphere and its ties to violence against women, as explored in her ongoing research for ANROWS. (1:10)

Jana Favero, Deputy CEO and Head of Systematic Change at the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre, discusses the ASRC’s new campaign to foster support and inclusion for asylum seekers and refugees in Australia. (16:56)

Author and journalist George Megalogenis looks ahead to next year’s federal election amid a shifting political landscape in the country, as explored in his new Quarterly Essay Minority Report: The New Shape of Australian Politics. (30:15)

Plus, Emily Naismith and Ben Birchall, hosts of podcast Ingredipedia, drop by to talk about the show’s new miniseries ‘Zombie Snacks’, which brings nostalgic Australian snacks back from the dead. (52:29)

And finally, Grammy Award-winning artist Annie Clark aka St. Vincent returns to Future Perfect to chat about what has shaped her live shows for the tour of her album ‘All Born Screaming’, ahead of her shows in Melbourne for Always Live Victoria. (1:12:04)