As it turns out, sitting in front of a screen all day is making men into women! This shocking news comes courtesy of arbiter of all things manly, Jesse Watters. In the eyes of much of MAGA the collapse of the economy and forcing Americans to take up factory jobs is a return to a long-lost masculinity. If this sounds ridiculous, that’s because it is but it’s a big part of the MAGA culture that has gone mostly overlooked and Donald Trump has tapped into. Fred sits down with Ilyse Hogue, cofounder of Catalyst for American Futures and longtime activist ranging from 8 years at the helm of NARAL Pro-Choice America to Media Matters and more. She dissects the odd connection between Trump’s tariffs and the entire testosterone fueled toxic mess of masculinity influencers and MAGA. The entire conversation is eye-opening and head shaking at the same time.

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