It’s Both — Living in the Messy Middle

Breathwork, Grief & Starting Over


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The messy middle isn't always something you can think your way through. Sometimes it lives in your body — in the shallow breath, the held-back cry, the emotions you've been managing instead of feeling. Jon Paul Crimi is a breathwork teacher who has spent 15 years helping people release what their minds can't process alone. He found this work through his dear friend Matthew Perry — and the grief of losing him is woven into every class he teaches.

In this conversation, we talk about what circular breathwork actually is and why it works, what it means to let go of the life you planned to step into the one you're actually meant for, and why you can't shut yourself off from the hard emotions without also losing access to the joy.

In this episode:

— What breathwork actually is — and why it's not what you think
— The science behind circular breathing and transient hypofrontality
— How Jon Paul found this work through Matthew Perry — and the grief that followed
— How to know when to let go of a dream vs. push through the hard part
— Why you can't feel joy without also feeling the grief
— How breathwork changes relationships — and sometimes ends them
— The difference between happiness and purpose
— What self-love actually looks like in practice

For anyone who lives in their head, knows exactly what they're feeling, and still can't seem to feel it — this one is for you.

Get Connected & Support the Show:

- If you're in the messy middle right now, the workbook was made for this. Or you can grab your free resource.

- Follow Jon Paul Crimi on Instagram or visit his website 

- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions

- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts

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It’s Both — Living in the Messy MiddleBy Nikki P