Have you ever wondered, 'what is the empirical evidence for non-brain based consciousness, and its effects on the world?' If so, you are in for a treat, as I chat with Brenda Dunne about her elaborate experience in the front line of consciousness research. Laboratory manager at the Princeton Engineering Anomolies Research (PEAR) Institute for 28 years, the lab collected a huge body of data, indicating beyond doubt that consciousness is something we can indeed study, and which deserves special recognition. Brenda has authored and co-authored many books, and continues today to be involved in many forums. Enjoy the show!