Brock Dolman is the founder of Occidental Arts & Ecology in Northern

California, one of the first permaculture education centers in North

America. In this conversation Brock displays a tiny fraction of his

savant-level knowledge of ecology, water, soil, trees, and how to engage

in a healing relationship to our environment. His unorthodox insights,

especially relevant in a time of forest fires and extreme weather

events, embed scientific reasoning within an ecospiritual aesthetic.