A wonderful conversation about life through rowing with Havilah Hawkins: schooner captain, boat designer and builder, youth sailing educator, master shipwright, and zen bottom paint scraper extraordinaire. Second in our multi-part series from Brooklin Boat Yard in Brooklin, Maine. This conversation happened spontaneously in the midst of John Maxwell's amazing tour. We came around the stern of a shapely classic daysailer in the shop and Havilah was kind enough to pause his work and chat. Thank you for listening!