Thinking like a hacker means finding creative solutions to big problems, discovering flaws in order to make improvements and often subverting conventional thinking. Bruce Schneier, a cryptographer, security professional and author, talks about the benefits for society when people apply that kind of logic to issues other than computers. In an interview with CyberScoop Editor-in-Chief Mike Farrell, he talks about the need to hack Democracy to rebuild it, how to get ahead of the potential peril from AI and the future of technology – both the good and bad. Elias Groll joins the show to discuss the story of a Chinese hack and why it has put Microsoft under a microscope in Washington.