This episode is the first in our Leadership Pathway podcast series. And it’s deliberately not a "you must listen to this" - it is here if you want to add to the menu offered. This chat is about the human side of leadership, what it’s like to lead people when the work is heavy, the pace is relentless, and the emotional load doesn’t stay neatly at work. Natalie is a qualified social worker and workforce development lead, and she also runs Workwise, supporting professionals in caring roles to build sustainable ways of working, understand their nervous system, and lead from a calmer place (even when the day is chaos).