Today, in an unusual turn of events, Ellie Dix, host of the series Behind the Cardboard, and Dirk Knemeyer, co-host of TGDRT, have a powerful conversation reflecting on the recent series that Ellie has worked so hard to produce. Touching on some of the key focal points and theming of series, as well as Ellie's production management and how that also can apply to her game design and everyday life. As well as discussing the series as a whole, they dive deeper into some specific arguments and concepts surrounding game design. This is a meaningful episode which will give viewers a preview of what Ellie has planned for the future.