In this insightful episode, Doreen Cumberford and Megan Norton-Newbanks chat with Dr. Helen Fagan about the nomadic spirit, the challenging journey of belonging, and the importance of self-awareness for meaningful inclusion. Dr. Fagan shares her childhood experiences in Iran, her identity as a descendant of Persian Bakhtiari nomads, and how moving across countries and cultures shaped her worldview.

The group discusses the internal and external facets of belonging - from the hard “homework” of self-reflection and letting go of limiting beliefs, to the practical work of including and welcoming others. Dr. Fagan describes the Intercultural Development Inventory, which helps people understand their approach to cultural differences, and highlights why most people remain in a mindset of minimization—focusing on similarities while struggling to engage with differences.

Through open conversation and vulnerability, Dr. Fagan illuminates the struggles of cultural dissonance, TCK (third culture kid) experiences, and the paradox of being “interested and interesting.” The conversation closes with Dr. Fagan’s personal reflections on family in Iran, the challenges of global unrest, and the importance of building belonging both within ourselves and our communities.

Key Topics Discussed

• Nomadic Heritage: The Bakhtiari legacy; how a journeying spirit manifests both in moving and deep engagement with new places.
• Third Culture Kid Identity: Navigating cultural dissonance, frequent goodbyes, and the search for belonging.
• Belonging as Inner Work: The necessity of self-reflection, understanding one's core values and past experiences, and releasing old beliefs.
• Intercultural Development Inventory (IDI): An assessment tool that uncovers how individuals perceive and respond to cultural differences, often revealing the gap between self-perception and reality.
• Internal vs. External Belonging: Balancing personal development with actions that foster inclusion and belonging for others.
• Emotional Intelligence and Leadership: The intersection of neuroscience, emotional intelligence, culture, and leadership in promoting inclusive communities.
• Handling Global Hardship: Coping with uncertainty and trauma when loved ones are in crisis, and turning to trusted personal strategies and support systems.
• Community and Connection: Building bridges by listening deeply, sharing stories, and fostering both individual and collective belonging.

Resources & Mentions

• Intercultural Development Inventory (IDI)
• Dr. Helen Fagan’s books & leadership training
• Brené Brown on deep listening & belonging

Connect with the Guests

• Dr. Helen Fagan: 
• http://www.linkedin.com/in/drhelenfagan
• http://www.facebook.com/drhelenfagan
• http://www.linkedin.com/in/drhelenfagan

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