Talent gets you noticed. Character keeps you in the room.

In this powerful episode of the Thinklete Podcast, Derek sits down with former NFL defensive back, Vernon Kearney, to talk about what truly separates elite athletes from the rest, neurodivergent or not.

After playing at Lane College and spending time with the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City Chiefs, and Cleveland Browns, Coach Vern transitioned from professional football to purpose-driven impact. Today, he’s the founder of Peak Performance Outreach, where he develops speed, strength, and agility — but more importantly, discipline, emotional regulation, accountability, and mental toughness in young athletes.

This conversation goes far beyond drills and combine prep.

Coach Vern shares:

• Why coachability is the #1 trait of elite athletes

• How to build grit without breaking a child’s confidence

• Why emotional kids don’t need to be silenced — they need to be guided

• The importance of learning how to lose

• How mental training (yes, even chess) shapes game-day performance

• What parents and coaches can do if they don’t have access to elite training

• Why discipline, order, and structure create freedom

Derek also shares personal insight from having his own son train under Coach Vern — and the transformation that happens when physical training is paired with intentional mental development.

Whether you’re a parent of a neurodivergent athlete, a coach trying to build stronger character in your players, or someone who believes success is built long before the spotlight — this episode will challenge and inspire you.

Because in the end, it’s not about the hill.
It’s about who you become running it.

Check Out Coach Vern's Peak Performance Outreach:

https://www.peakperformanceoutreach.com/

www.instagram.com/peakperformanceath_