Vivek Khindria, longtime CISO, joins the show and he brought the heat. We talk building security teams, quantum computing timelines, and why your board doesn't want to hear about firewall rules.

George K and George A talk to Vivek about:

• Why betting on business people and teaching them security > hiring tech nerds who can't talk to humans
• Why enterprises must start the conversation around crypto agility now with the quantum computing future ahead
• Your board wants to hear about "resilience," not your latest pen test results
• How to balance outsourcing vs maintaining in house talent

Vivek's been around the block and back, knows his stuff, and isn't afraid to call out nonsense. Plus he talks about why most security leaders are burning out and what to actually do about it.

This is the kind of conversation that makes you better at your job, not just better at using buzzwords.