When someone says “it’s just business,” what they really mean is, I’m detaching from humanity to justify bad behavior. In this episode of Business and Coffee, Heath and Malcolm dig into the corporate culture behind that phrase, why it drives so much burnout and distrust, and how business done right is actually about service, excellence, and lifting people higher.

From the idea that “excellence is oxygen” to redefining success as impact and evolution, this conversation is for anyone tired of empty corporate talk and craving a business that aligns with their values.

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