Note From Elie is part of the free weekly CAFE Brief newsletter. Audio recordings of Elie’s Note are part of the CAFE Insider subscription.

"Note From Asha" is a part of the CAFE Insider subscription. Asha Rangappa is a lawyer, former FBI Special Agent, and current CNN analyst. She's also a Senior Lecturer at Yale University's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.

In this special episode of the CAFE Insider podcast, Joyce Vance interviews Jim Cavanaugh. Cavanaugh, a prominent voice in law enforcement, has extensive experience investigating domestic terrorism and white supremacist violence — threats that the FBI has said are on the rise. He spent over 33 years working at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, where he eventually led the Birmingham and Nashville offices as Special Agent in Charge.

In the full episode, Cavanuagh discusses: 

– The failed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting; 

– The capabilities of the AR-15, the gun used in Uvalde;

– The negotiations with cult leader David Koresh during the Waco siege in 1993; 

– The investigation into the bombing murder of Joyce’s father-in-law, Eleventh Circuit Judge Robert Vance; 

– The investigation into the Eric Rudolph bombings, which included attacks at an abortion clinic in Alabama and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta; and

– Law enforcement’s approach towards domestic terrorism and white supremacist violence.

Ask your friends and family to join you in the conversation about the latest legal and political news making the headlines. For every person you refer to the CAFE Insider community, you’ll get a free month added to your subscription. Learn more at CAFE.com/referral.

We hope you’re finding CAFE Insider informative. Email us at [email protected] with your suggestions and questions for Preet and Joyce. 

Shownotes & transcript can be found at CAFE.com.

This podcast is brought to you by CAFE Studios and Vox Media Podcast Network.

“Backstage” is a special segment of Now & Then exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. In this installment, Heather and Joanne discuss their recollections of shifting alcohol norms during the 1970s. 

Thank you for being a member of the CAFE Insider community.

Note From Elie is part of the free weekly CAFE Brief newsletter. Audio recordings of Elie’s Note are part of the CAFE Insider subscription.