Race and racism have been at the forefront of news headlines for more than a month now, ever since George Floyd was killed by a Minneapolis cop.

Regardless of the color of your skin, it's likely you're talking about race with friends and family. And that can lead to some uncomfortable conversations.

Today the hosts of Counter Stories share their strategies for engaging people on issues of race and identity. And they share some of the awkward moments they've experienced in discussions within their own communities, involving both race and colorism.

They look at what it means to be "called in"... how it differs from being "called out"... and what to do when it happens to you.

The team is joined this week by author, playwright and performer Saymoukda Vongsay. Vongsay uses her sharp sense of humor to combat racism and ethnic division.

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