The governor of North Dakota is running to be the Republican nominee for president after a long career in business and two elections to the governor's mansion.

In an interview with The NPR Politics Podcast, Burgum, who has languished in the polls, says his path to the nomination relies on increasing his name recognition.

This episode: politics correspondent Susan Davis and White House correspondent Asma Khalid.

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