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Can Men and Women Truly Be Friends? Feat. Jessi Holley
Season 9, Episode 25 of PSA: The Mental Health Podcast dives head-first into one of the most polarizing questions in modern relationships: can men and women really be just friends? Izzy Baker sits down with Jessi Holley, host of Everybody Can’t Go Podcast and author of the book that started her brand, for a brutally honest breakdown of friendship, lust, and boundaries in the age of OnlyFans and DM culture.
What begins as a playful conversation about “the friend zone” quickly turns into a deeper discussion about lust, maturity, and blurred lines. Jesse opens up about having long-term platonic friendships with men — no flings, no past, no “almost.” Izzy challenges the notion that men and women can keep it that clean, pointing to how lust, trauma, and social conditioning make it hard to separate attraction from friendship.
Together, they unpack how sexual trauma and overexposure have rewired how this generation views connection, and why so many people can’t see friendship without filtering it through desire. The conversation gets raw as they debate the OnlyFans effect — how posting provocative content or monetizing sexuality affects how men perceive and approach women, and where accountability versus respect really starts.
Jessi brings fire and wisdom, explaining why confidence, not chaos, should define friendship. Izzy plays devil’s advocate, asking if some women set themselves up for blurred boundaries by ignoring red flags that always looked like Six Flags. The two go back and forth about trust, temptation, and emotional bleed — when friendships get too deep, too fast, and start to feel like mini-relationships.
By the end, they’re not just talking about male-female friendships — they’re dissecting how ego, insecurity, and emotional immaturity keep people from building anything real.
If you’ve ever been accused of “doing too much” with a friend, or questioned whether your “bro” or “sis” might secretly want more — this one will hit home.
Listen. Reflect. And decide for yourself — can men and women really just be friends?
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/p-s-a-the-mental-health-podcast--5520511/support.
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What begins as a playful conversation about “the friend zone” quickly turns into a deeper discussion about lust, maturity, and blurred lines. Jesse opens up about having long-term platonic friendships with men — no flings, no past, no “almost.” Izzy challenges the notion that men and women can keep it that clean, pointing to how lust, trauma, and social conditioning make it hard to separate attraction from friendship.
Together, they unpack how sexual trauma and overexposure have rewired how this generation views connection, and why so many people can’t see friendship without filtering it through desire. The conversation gets raw as they debate the OnlyFans effect — how posting provocative content or monetizing sexuality affects how men perceive and approach women, and where accountability versus respect really starts.
Jessi brings fire and wisdom, explaining why confidence, not chaos, should define friendship. Izzy plays devil’s advocate, asking if some women set themselves up for blurred boundaries by ignoring red flags that always looked like Six Flags. The two go back and forth about trust, temptation, and emotional bleed — when friendships get too deep, too fast, and start to feel like mini-relationships.
By the end, they’re not just talking about male-female friendships — they’re dissecting how ego, insecurity, and emotional immaturity keep people from building anything real.
If you’ve ever been accused of “doing too much” with a friend, or questioned whether your “bro” or “sis” might secretly want more — this one will hit home.
Listen. Reflect. And decide for yourself — can men and women really just be friends?
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/p-s-a-the-mental-health-podcast--5520511/support.
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Season 9, Episode 25 of PSA: The Mental Health Podcast dives head-first into one of the most polarizing questions in modern relationships: can men and women really be just friends? Izzy Baker sits down with Jessi Holley, host of Everybody Can’t Go Podcast and author of the book that started her brand, for a brutally honest breakdown of friendship, lust, and boundaries in the age of OnlyFans and DM culture.
What begins as a playful conversation about “the friend zone” quickly turns into a deeper discussion about lust, maturity, and blurred lines. Jesse opens up about having long-term platonic friendships with men — no flings, no past, no “almost.” Izzy challenges the notion that men and women can keep it that clean, pointing to how lust, trauma, and social conditioning make it hard to separate attraction from friendship.
Together, they unpack how sexual trauma and overexposure have rewired how this generation views connection, and why so many people can’t see friendship without filtering it through desire. The conversation gets raw as they debate the OnlyFans effect — how posting provocative content or monetizing sexuality affects how men perceive and approach women, and where accountability versus respect really starts.
Jessi brings fire and wisdom, explaining why confidence, not chaos, should define friendship. Izzy plays devil’s advocate, asking if some women set themselves up for blurred boundaries by ignoring red flags that always looked like Six Flags. The two go back and forth about trust, temptation, and emotional bleed — when friendships get too deep, too fast, and start to feel like mini-relationships.
By the end, they’re not just talking about male-female friendships — they’re dissecting how ego, insecurity, and emotional immaturity keep people from building anything real.
If you’ve ever been accused of “doing too much” with a friend, or questioned whether your “bro” or “sis” might secretly want more — this one will hit home.
Listen. Reflect. And decide for yourself — can men and women really just be friends?
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/p-s-a-the-mental-health-podcast--5520511/support.
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🎯 Level up your professional development influence with the TrustBuilder Package — a social media strategy designed to position you as a thought leader in your space. From authority-building content to engagement that actually converts, we make sure your message doesn’t just get seen… it gets respected. Perfect for personal brands looking to grow their presence and impact. Legacy Launchpad
🚀 Build your podcast — and your influence — from the ground up with the Legacy Launchpad. We handle everything: strategy, branding, production, and promotion, so you can focus on delivering value. Designed for personal and professional development influencers who want their voice amplified, their brand elevated, and their legacy secured in the digital space.
What begins as a playful conversation about “the friend zone” quickly turns into a deeper discussion about lust, maturity, and blurred lines. Jesse opens up about having long-term platonic friendships with men — no flings, no past, no “almost.” Izzy challenges the notion that men and women can keep it that clean, pointing to how lust, trauma, and social conditioning make it hard to separate attraction from friendship.
Together, they unpack how sexual trauma and overexposure have rewired how this generation views connection, and why so many people can’t see friendship without filtering it through desire. The conversation gets raw as they debate the OnlyFans effect — how posting provocative content or monetizing sexuality affects how men perceive and approach women, and where accountability versus respect really starts.
Jessi brings fire and wisdom, explaining why confidence, not chaos, should define friendship. Izzy plays devil’s advocate, asking if some women set themselves up for blurred boundaries by ignoring red flags that always looked like Six Flags. The two go back and forth about trust, temptation, and emotional bleed — when friendships get too deep, too fast, and start to feel like mini-relationships.
By the end, they’re not just talking about male-female friendships — they’re dissecting how ego, insecurity, and emotional immaturity keep people from building anything real.
If you’ve ever been accused of “doing too much” with a friend, or questioned whether your “bro” or “sis” might secretly want more — this one will hit home.
Listen. Reflect. And decide for yourself — can men and women really just be friends?
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/p-s-a-the-mental-health-podcast--5520511/support.
TrustBuilder Package
🎯 Level up your professional development influence with the TrustBuilder Package — a social media strategy designed to position you as a thought leader in your space. From authority-building content to engagement that actually converts, we make sure your message doesn’t just get seen… it gets respected. Perfect for personal brands looking to grow their presence and impact. Legacy Launchpad
🚀 Build your podcast — and your influence — from the ground up with the Legacy Launchpad. We handle everything: strategy, branding, production, and promotion, so you can focus on delivering value. Designed for personal and professional development influencers who want their voice amplified, their brand elevated, and their legacy secured in the digital space.