From the recent mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Christchurch, New Zealand, to the Charlottesville car attack in 2017, it’s clear that white nationalists and the “alt-right” are not just living on the dark corners of the internet, but actually carry out deadly violence in the world. Maria and Julio talk with Alexandra Minna Stern, professor in the Department of American Culture at the University of Michigan, about her latest book, Proud Boys and the White Ethnostate: How the Alt-Right Is Warping the American Imagination. They discuss white nationalist groups and how misogyny and white supremacy are the underlying ideals that motivate them.

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