Career & Coffee Podcast

Featuring: Dr. Margaret Heffernan, Dr. Amy Silver and Kassandra Humphreys

Join Amelia in this special edition episode as she explores the feelings of stuck caused by COVID-19 in our jobs and careers. If your plans, hopes or dreams for 2020 have been quashed by coronavirus, you may be experiencing an overwhelming sense of limbo and uncertainty. It’s a rollercoaster of emotions and a uniquely challenging situation that’s individual to each of us.

In this episode, TED speaker and author Dr. Margaret Heffernan, psychologist Dr. Amy Silver and Kassandra Humphreys discuss the concept of uncertainty and how it plays out in real life. They share stories from their lived experience with honest perspectives and practical advice. They delve into why it’s so hard to process this feeling of limbo and how we can become better at dealing with it, and even thrive through uncertainty and come out the other side stronger and more resilient. 

To connect with Dr. Margaret Heffernan and to purchase her latest book ‘Uncharted – How to Map the Future Together’:

https://www.mheffernan.com/

To connect with Dr. Amy Silver and download your free copy of her latest book ‘Brace for Impact: Surviving and Thriving in the Pandemic Era’:

https://www.dramysilver.com/

https://braceforimpact.com.au/

To connect with Kassandra Humphreys:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kassandrahumphreys/

Sources referenced in order of mention:

• Margaret Heffernan, Uncharted: How to Map the Future Together: https://www.mheffernan.com/book-uncharted.php

Series source List:

• Hugh Van Cuylenburg, The Resilience Project: https://theresilienceproject.com.au/

To listen to the 18 past episodes of Career & Coffee, dedicated to exploring why we get ‘stuck’ in our jobs and careers and what to do about it, visit: careerandcoffeepodcast.com

Featuring: Anthony Cohen, Oscar Fuchs and Steven Menzies

Join Amelia in this special edition episode as she explores the feelings of stuck caused by COVID-19 in our jobs and careers. With mass business closures, record levels of unemployment and a looming recession, these are scary times. And for those who have lost their job to COVID-19, it can be incredibly hard to understand and process the experience of unemployment amid the global pandemic.

In this episode, Anthony Cohen, Oscar Fuchs and Steven Menzies share their experience and understanding of job loss, along with their learnings from lived experience of this situation and their advice on how to process it and move through it.

This episode focuses on the emotional journey of losing your role due to COVID-19 and the reality of this situation. If you are struggling and may need someone to talk to, please contact Lifeline on 13 11 14.

To access the Australian government job hub, visit: https://www.dese.gov.au/covid-19/jobs-hub

To connect with Anthony Cohen and learn more about Project Displaced:

http://projectdisplaced.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonymcohen/

To connect with Oscar Fuchs and listen to his podcast ‘Mosaic of China’:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/oscology/

https://mosaicofchina.podbean.com/

To connect with Steven Menzies:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-menzies-4695798/

Sources referenced in order of mention:

• Reuters: https://reut.rs/2z9ESmB

Series source List:

• BBC, Business: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52199888

To listen to the 18 past episodes of Career & Coffee, dedicated to exploring why we get ‘stuck’ in our jobs and careers and what to do about it, visit: careerandcoffeepodcast.com

Featuring: Claire Seeber and Oscar Fuchs

Join Amelia in this special edition episode as she explores the feelings of stuck caused by COVID-19 in our jobs and careers. For those who already felt stuck at work, being stuck at home has added a new and perhaps challenging dimension to this feeling. With many seeing 2020 as their year to make big change and get unstuck, it could feel like you’re stuck with your employer indefinitely.

In this episode, Claire Seeber and Oscar Fuchs describe their lived experience of being stuck during the coronavirus pandemic and help to explain why this dual feeling of stuck is so challenging, as well as giving honest and practical advice on how to process this situation and move through it.

You can connect with Claire Seeber:

https://claireseeber.com.au/ 

https://eatingyourcaketoo.com.au/

https://www.instagram.com/eatingyourcaketoo/

 You can connect with Oscar Fuchs and listen to his podcast ‘Mosaic of China’:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/oscology/

https://mosaicofchina.podbean.com/

You can connect with Georgia Norton Lodge:

https://www.instagram.com/georgiadrawsahouse/

https://www.georgiadrawsahouse.com/

Sources referenced in order of mention:

• Tim Harcourt, ABC: https://ab.co/3fWvvHz

Series source list:

• Margaret Heffernan, Uncharted – How to Map the Future Together: https://www.mheffernan.com/

To listen to the 18 past episodes of Career & Coffee, dedicated to exploring why we get ‘stuck’ in our jobs and careers and what to do about it, visit: careerandcoffeepodcast.com

*Editor's Note: A correction for narration at 15:36, Oscar Fuchs has lived in Asia for 16 years (not Shanghai). 

In our final episode for the series, we reflect back to where we began. Getting stuck and the questions that we want to ask others – and ourselves – but to often, we don’t. We’re embarrassed and ashamed, we whisper that we’re feeling stuck in our jobs and careers to our friends and family. Why? Why is something so common, so quiet?

In this episode, we reflect on the reasons we get stuck, and all of the best nuggets of wisdom and advice shared by our guests over the past 8 weeks. Plus, the answer to getting unstuck.

Thank you to each and every single one our listeners and community members for coming on this journey with us. Having the courage to listen to a show about getting unstuck and for being brave enough to face into it. We are so grateful and humbled by your support. 

If you would like to stay connected, you can find us on LinkedIn:

Amelia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amelia-novakovic/

Ann: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ann-calman-a129064/ 

And, you can email us via: [email protected]            

All 17 past episodes will be available via our website: careerandcoffeepodcast.com

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And, remember. You’re amazing, you’ve got this, now get to work. Bye!

In Week 8, our final week of the series, we tackle a situation of stuck that can feel completely out of our control; redundancy and organisational change.

Being told your role is no longer required, that you’re redundant, can lead to impacted confidence, lowered wellbeing and confusion. It’s unexpected, and depending on your life stage and plans, it can throw you off course.

In this episode, Ann catches up with Bob Pierce, an Outplacement Specialist from Prima Careers. Bob has over 15 years of experience in this industry, working with people and organisations that are in the throws of change. If you’ve been made redundant, are facing into it now or have “survived” an organisational change, then this episode may help.

Bob talks about the grieving curve of being made redundant, and the importance of having the skills to manage your career. He says, your career is one of your greatest assets in life, so you need to be actively managing it and building your adaptability and resilience.

He reminds us that we will be working for nearly 50 years in our career, and highlights the importance of being a sticky-learner, throughout all stages of your career. He believes there is a nexus between career counselling and life counselling, and feels that having a career counsellor at key moments, can help with refocusing and staying connected to what you truly want. 

Here are the research links referenced in this episode:

• Benjamin Hurley – “Living in the age of redundancy” https://bit.ly/2ri6RfA

If you’d like to connect with Bob Pierce, you can contact him directly:

[email protected]

+61 411 498 622

If you have a question that you would like answered, or you would like to connect with Ann and Amelia directly, you can email: [email protected]

You can also join our Career and Coffee community on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/career-and-coffee-podcast/

And find us on Instagram for bonus content: instagram.com/podcastcareerandcoffee  

In Episode 14, we delve deeper into the topic of networking and your network. Through the practice of networking we build our network, and the quality of our network, will determine how we progress and perform in our careers. It sounds simple, but how do we do that? What if networking terrifies you? What if you’re an introvert?

In this episode, Amelia sits down for coffee with self-confessed introvert and advertising industry senior leader Hannah Sturrock. Hannah is the Managing Partner of one of Australia’s leading independent creative agencies, The Hallway. Since joining The Hallway in 2011, Hannah has grown and nurtured the business and her own career, and prior to that has had a long history working for entrepreneurial and creative businesses and agencies. First, in her native UK, where she worked for Wallpaper Magazine and Karmarama in London, and then at BMF in Sydney.

Hannah talks first about her feelings of stuck throughout her career, being pigeonholed in a role based on her developed competencies, and tackling her own inner voice that kept saying “but you’re better” at being behind the scenes. She admits her greatest learnings came from a moment of rejection - a moment that she thought would get her unstuck - and how connecting with founders has changed the course of her creative and colourful career.

When it comes to networking, Hannah believes we have to give over get and elevate our conversations to a higher value around strategy, if we want to get unstuck. She gives helpful advice on how to network as an introvert, how to avoid building a network that’s too narrow and a 101 on how to pitch your way out of being stuck. 

Here are the research links referenced in this episode:

• Dave Evans and Bill Burnett. 'Designing your life: Build a life that works for you'. (2016) https://bit.ly/2KH2YHT 

If you would like to connect with Hannah Sturrock directly, you can find her on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannahsturrock/ 

If you have a question that you would like answered, or you would like to connect with Ann and Amelia directly, you can email: [email protected] 

You can also join our Career and Coffee community on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/career-and-coffee-podcast/ 

And find us on Instagram for bonus content: instagram.com/podcastcareerandcoffee 

In Week 7, we’re tackling the topic of networking and your network. Two words that sound similar, but are actually very different, when it comes to your career and getting unstuck.

In this episode, Ann catches up with Trevor Williams. A seasoned senior executive, owner of TGW Consulting in Singapore, and former COO of Global Markets for Barclays Bank. Trevor has been Ann’s mentor for many years, and their interview hits home-truths with honesty, about the realities and importance of cultivating an authentic network.

Trevor gives unique and rich perspective, highlighting the difference between and value of internal and external networks, and he’s honest about the fact he only realised this differentiation later in his career. He admits, that the more senior you get at work, the harder it becomes – in every way, and for him, as an un-natural networker, he’s had to hone his skills to build his network both internally and externally. 

He details the different types of networking in these two spheres, explains the role and signs of trust and relationship productivity, and stresses that conversations are more important than conferences – when it comes to getting unstuck. 

Download the transcript for this episode, here: https://bit.ly/2qaJvbJ 

Here are the research links referenced in this episode: 

• Tim Sanders, quote: https://bit.ly/32W81KK  

And if you would like to connect with Trevor Williams, you can find him on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-williams-66931/

If you have a question that you would like answered, or you would like to connect with Ann and Amelia directly, you can email: [email protected]

You can also join our Career and Coffee community on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/career-and-coffee-podcast/

And find us on Instagram for bonus content: instagram.com/podcastcareerandcoffee  

In Episode 12, we delve deeper into how the corporate culture we work for and within, can get us feeling stuck. The traditional structures of business are changing, methodologies like Agile are gaining popularity, and with it can come a feeling of being wedged between the old and new ways of working. In this episode, Amelia catches up for a raw and real conversation with Lauren Buckley from the ANZ Bank - one of the big four banks in Australia.

Lauren is the Alignment Lead for ANZ, and is a leader within the bank’s transformation to Agile. She’s spent 13 years with the company, and in that time, has had 3 separate “chapters” of career. To achieve this, Lauren is honest about her journey – making decisions based on career growth and continuous learning. As a result, she has transitioned out of her original career as a Marketer – twice. First into Project Management, and now into Agile Leadership. She’s seen stuck happen when focus is placed too heavily on a linear progression at work, and instead, reminds herself to think of her career as a ‘lattice’ and not a 'ladder'.

Lauren also gives a 101 of what Agile is, and how you can apply this mindset and methodology into your role to help get unstuck – no matter where you work.

Here are the research links referenced throughout this episode:

• Carol Dweck “Developing a growth mindset” (Oct 2014) - https://bit.ly/33o0jdE 

If you would like to connect with Lauren directly, you connect with her on LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/2oPJLvR  

If you have a question that you would like answered, or you would like to connect with Ann and Amelia directly, you can email: [email protected] 

You can also join our Career and Coffee community on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/career-and-coffee-podcast/

And find us on Instagram for bonus content: instagram.com/podcastcareerandcoffee

In Week 6, we’re talking about our environment, the culture of our workplace and the experience of high-achievers. Research shows that where we work, the physical environment and the corporate culture around us, can have a huge impact on our wellbeing and our sense of ‘stuck’ 

In Episode 11, Amelia catches up for coffee with Dr. Amy Silver. Amy is a clinical psychologist, speaker and published author with over three decades of experience. She has spent her career developing intellectual property on how fear and habit restrict our capability.

Amy has a unique perspective on situation-stuck, saying that it’s not the label of ‘stuck’ that really matters – but instead, it’s how we identify with it. For her, being stuck is a point of reflection and an opportunity to reassess our behaviour, our doing and our being. After working with people from all walks of life, from domestic violence survivors to sufferers of chronic fatigue, Amy is interested in tackling the behavioural patterns that get us stuck.

She says - we need to regain our power, and realise that too often, we passively give it away to people and organisations without being fully aware. We get it back by creating space for ourselves, and in doing so – we promote our own growth mindset and learn to be more behaviourally flexible.

Amy also addresses four other related topics of interest about environment and culture, the principles of agile transformations, ways of working for high achievers, and how to – actually – be courageous. She shares helpful advice on the practical things we can do to get on the other side of ‘uncomfortable’. 

Here is the research link referenced in this episode:

• Harvard Business Review (HBR) - “1 in 5 Employees is Highly Engaged and at Risk of Burnout” Emma Seppala and Julia Moeller - https://bit.ly/2N57QrN

If you would like to connect with Amy, you can contact her via:

Website: dramysilver.com 

Email:  [email protected] 

Blog: https://www.dramysilver.com/recent-silverlinings

And, purchase her new book ‘Conversations Create Growth’ : https://www.dramysilver.com/shop

If you have a question that you would like answered, or you would like to connect with Ann and Amelia directly, you can email: [email protected] 

You can also join our Career and Coffee community on LinkedIn:  linkedin.com/company/career-and-coffee-podcast/ 

And find us on Instagram for bonus content: instagram.com/podcastcareerandcoffee  

In Episode 10, we hear from two guests who approach our topics for Week 5, in slightly different ways and from different perspectives formed throughout their lives and careers.

First up, Amelia chats with Samantha Condy. Samantha is the Head of Marketing and Partnerships for Camp Quality, a well known children’s charity in Australia. Prior to this role, Sam worked in senior marketing and executive leadership roles for household brand names like Puma, Levis, Nestle and the Bendon Group.

Sam doesn’t personally believe that being stuck is real. For her, it’s a state of mind. She subscribes to the “CAL principle” - change it, accept it or leave it - and look for the next opportunity. Sam’s tips for moving forward in your career: be aligned to your personal values, stick to the things that excite you, keep your options open and build great relationships within your network.

Second up, Ann grabs a coffee with Jesse Boag, who brings a unique skill set to the show this week. Jesse is an international hairstylist and business owner of Jesse Boag Hair. He’s been creative director for some of world’s biggest hair care brands including John Frieda and Moroccan Oil. 

Jesse sees many corporate professionals in their daily struggles of being stuck and shares how he maintains and manages keeps his own energy. Jesse shares his own story of travelling internationally in roles and companies enjoying huge growth and then having the courage to start his own very successful business when returning Australia. In his business, Jesse shares the profound importance of human connection, how to navigate the line blur and boundary between our personal and professional lives, and to make meaningful connections – remember, honesty is the key.

Here is the research link referenced in this episode:

• kellogg.northwestern.edu - “Fake it until you make it? Not so fast” (2015)

If you would like to connect with our guests today, you can contact:

Samantha via LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthacondy/

Jesse Boag via Instagram: @iamjesseboag

If you have a question that you would like answered, or you would like to connect with Ann and Amelia directly, you can email: [email protected]

You can also join our Career and Coffee community on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/career-and-coffee-podcast/

And find us on Instagram for bonus content: instagram.com/podcastcareerandcoffee