Carson Pace of The Callous Daoboys joined the Talk Toomey podcast from the road. Carson is on the show to discuss their latest album, Celebrity Therapist. Carson talks about the writing process, trainwrecks onstage and imposter syndrome. Carson speaks on writing lyrics that mean something to him and a bar of excellence.  He also talks about how all art has become disposable and growing up in Atlanta. Carson discusses making videos and how funny it was to "ride a bear". Carson leaves up with their current touring plans and what is next for the band.

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