There’s so much more to money…than saving it, spending it and making it grow, so we’re digging deeper and exploring all the topics we only scratched the surface on in our book, to uncover how money affects our lives. There’s how it shapes our careers, how it influences our relationships, and enables us to care for our loved ones. There’s the freedom it brings when we manage it well, the heartbreak it brings when we lose it, and the fulfillment of giving it away.  So let's go deeper. 

We're Julien and Kiersten Saunders but most people know us as rich & REGULAR. We're the authors of Cashing Out: Win the Wealth Game by Walking Away and this podcast is about exploring all the topics we only scratched the surface on in our book, to uncover how money affects our lives. 

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Most people believe giving birth to a child is what makes you a Mother, but according to Angela Garbes, the role of "mothering" is far more expansive and should be more inclusive of everyone who takes part in providing care for others. Angela Garbes, is the author of several books; notably the bestselling Essential Labor: Mothering as Social Change.  NPR and The New Yorker considered it one of the best books of 2022 and she's been featured on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, NPRs Fresh Air, ABC News and more. She joins hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunder to have a conversation about what "mothering" means, the evolution of women in the workplace, the importance of a federally mandated family leave policy and how a universal basic income [UBI] would improve the lives of working families and caregivers. They also discuss the importance of finding and nurturing community as a mechanism to becoming a better caregiver and how our work lives affect our marriages.

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Inspired by the book Cashing Out: Win The Wealth Game By Walking Away, authors Julien and Kiersten Saunders have compiled a collection of songs, conversation snippets, comedic routines, and famous speeches that capture the essence of the book.

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Talking about money is hard enough, and when it’s your partner, siblings, parents or closest friends that you need to have a difficult conversation with, things get really awkward. Erin Lowry is a four-time published author of the Broke Millenial series of personal finance books and joins hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunders to offer advice on how to navigate these conflicts. 

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The ‘digital divide’ refers to unequal access to technology and the internet, and it’s a phenomenon that obstructs economic growth, particularly in Black American communities. According to Forbes, 36% of Black households don’t own a computer or a broadband subscription. Considering the extreme wealth gap between Black and white Americans and the explosive growth of the tech industry in recent years, Sheena Allen and Sherrell Dorsey join hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunders to explore the intersection of technology and wealth. 

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Leaving the comfort and security of a corporate job can be scary but the stories of those who have taken the leap can inspire us to overcome our own fears and pursue our passions. In this episode hosts, Julien and Kiersten Saunders, are joined by three guests to discuss their decision-making process before leaving their corporate jobs. You’ll hear their stories, gain insights and inspiration and hopefully find the courage to plan for a leap yourself. 

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Fathers are one of the "untold stories" of the Financial Independence Movement. Their willingness to re-evaluate their career ambitions to focus more on family is one of the leading triggers for many families to pursue FIRE. Troy Brooks, Bradley Michael Rice and Joel Adrian join hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunders to discuss fatherhood and how it’s influenced their thoughts about career, money, masculinity, entrepreneurship, marriage, and more. 

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Deepa Purushothaman is the author of The First, The Few, The Only and founder of nFormation; a company that provides a safe space for professional women of color. She’s a leading expert in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion and joins hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunders to share her personal story of how work deteriorated her own health. They discuss the role DEI plays in advancing careers, whether it has been accepted by Corporate America and the “delusions” that impact the experiences of people of color at work.  

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JL Collins is the “godfather of Financial Independence” and his book, The Simple Path to Wealth has shaped millions of people’s financial plans. He joins hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunders to talk about his journey to embracing index funds as an investing approach, the history of index fund investing, and their shared appreciation for Jack Bogle, the founder of the Vanguard Group and creator of index funds back in 1975.  They also talk about the role community has played in his life, his annual event [Chautauqua], marriage, and charitable giving.

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In 2022, the US Surgeon General issued a warning that the American workplace needs to change to better support the emotional and physical well-being of employees. Rwenshaun Miller is a practicing psychotherapist author, speaker, and mental health change agent and Rich Jones is a creator, speaker, wellness coach, and founder of Find More Balance. They join hosts Julien and Kiersten Saunders to discuss how work and mental health are intertwined. Both men share their personal experiences with mental health and discuss a wide range of topics including non-traditional approaches to mental wellness, cannabis, coping with work stress, and how to help loved ones who may be struggling.

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