Why do so many people trying to create positive change end up exhausted?
And why do so many workplaces and “inclusive” spaces still make people feel unseen, unsupported, or forced to hide parts of themselves?
In this episode of Catch The Upswing, Jessica Espinoza speaks with Bonnie Chiu and Tara Sabre Collier about burnout, invisible labor, identity, caregiving, ambition, and the emotional cost of trying to change broken systems while still protecting your own humanity.
Together, they explore leadership, parenthood, capitalism, belonging, impact investing, language, power, and what it really means to build a more inclusive world.
Bonnie Chiu is the founder and CEO of TSIC, a global social impact advisory firm focused on diversity, inclusion, and systems change in finance and entrepreneurship.
Tara Sabre Collier is an impact investor, entrepreneur, and advisor working across inclusive finance, economic development, and emerging markets.
This is a conversation about exhaustion, purpose, identity, modern work, and the tension between caring deeply about the world… without losing yourself in the process.
🎙️ In this episode, we explore:
- Why so many purpose-driven people feel emotionally exhausted
- The invisible labor of caregiving, parenthood, and emotional responsibility
- Whether people can truly bring their “full selves” to work
- Why some “inclusive” spaces still exclude people in practice
- How capitalism shapes burnout, mental health, and belonging
- Why impact investing can still reproduce inequality
- How language shapes power, identity, and inclusion
- The emotional cost of trying to “do it all”
- Whether meaningful systems change is actually possible
- Practices that help people stay grounded while doing difficult work
🔗 Check out Bonnie Chiu’s work:
TSIC: https://tsic.global/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonniesychiu/
🔗 Check out Tara Sabre Collier’s work:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tarasabre/
🔗 Additional resources:
2X Global: https://www.2xglobal.org/
Pathway Fund: https://pathwayfund.co.uk/
⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 Trailer
00:55 Meet Bonnie Chiu & Tara Sabre Collier
01:18 “Which Parts Of Your Reality Are We Not Making Space To See?”
02:21 The Invisible Labor Of Caregiving
04:59 Can We Really Bring Our Full Selves To Work?
06:08 Faith, Identity & The Parts Of Ourselves We Hide
09:09 When “Inclusive” Spaces Don’t Feel Inclusive
11:04 Why Capitalism Wasn’t Built For Mental Health
13:03 How Loss Shaped Tara’s Path Into Impact Investing
16:36 How Bonnie Found Purpose Through Entrepreneurship
24:05 The Inclusion Conference That Rejected A Mother & Baby
27:27 Why Risk Stops Real Inclusion
31:27 Are We Thinking About Development All Wrong?
35:31 How Language Shapes Power & Belonging
40:39 Why “Global Majority” Matters
44:03 The Hidden Power Of Words
46:36 Why So Many Purpose-Driven People Feel Exhausted
49:18 “You’re Confronting Capitalism & Patriarchy”
50:29 Change The System — Or Build Something New?
55:07 The Hidden Cost Of Trying To Do It All
57:21 How To Avoid Burnout While Still Caring Deeply
59:13 Protecting Your Mind In An Overwhelming World
01:01:08 What Keeps Us Grounded Through Difficult Times
01:02:14 Final Reflections + Hope, Community & Recharge
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