The former Hardball anchor on the upcoming midterms; Trump vs. DeSantis; who to watch if Biden doesn't run; the power of humor in politics; and more … 

In his recent memoir, This Country, Chris Matthews shares an old rule of politics: the shape of the field decides the winner.

I sat down with Matthews this month for a Wavemaker Conversation about the shape of the field as we head into the 2022 midterm elections and look ahead to 2024. 

We also look back at his life before MSNBC — including his years as chief lieutenant to House Speaker Tip O’Neill; his work as a speechwriter for President Carter; and his campaign for a seat in the U.S. Congress when he was in his 20s.