This week, our guest is a lovely gentleman named Joseph Nilo. If you’ve been listening to Apple podcasts since the dawn of podcasting, you may recognize that name. He was one of the original hosts of the Mac Roundtable podcast. I first “met” Joseph on July 29, 2007, when I made my debut appearance on the Mac Roundtable with the great Tim Verpoorten and Don McAllister. Believe it or not, the Mac Roundtable website is still up and running (thanks to Adam Christianson), and you can listen to a full decade of shows.

Joseph has been out of the podcasting business for a few years now, but he’s still a fabulous nerd. He’s one of the crazy ones, running the agentic AI software OpenClaw that seems to be sweeping the world by storm. In this conversation, Joseph explains what agentic tools like OpenClaw can do, how he's deployed it locally, what guardrails he's put up, and how safe he thinks it is to use. Spoiler: not safe at all!

You can see Joseph's work at josephnilo.com/... and hilomedia.com/...

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