A pretty basic phone call - having a laugh but trying to be honest about our current state of life; both of us.
We discuss the illusion of building a better life, or a better self - in opposition to being here now. One to contemplate.
We also talk 
career, 
life decisions, 
things happening for a reason, 
a true partnership with a spouse, 
the sometimes intrusive issue of doubt and guilt 
the insidious and manipulative thing called resentment
phone addiction
drugs vs medicine.

Topped off with a few more laughs and the beauty of skating n surfing with your kids.