Claire de Mézerville López welcomes Michael Washington, Ph.D., and Doug Judge, Ph.D., to the Restorative Works! Podcast. Dr. Washington and Dr. Judge share their insights on how leaders can step into complex, high-stakes environments and commit to change using relational-based approaches.  Dr. Washington, an expert in leadership development and operational excellence, shares his journey of shifting organizational culture from a command-and-control mindset to a collaborative, human-centered approach. He reflects on his work in supply chain management and how leveraging diverse perspectives transformed team engagement and efficiency. Dr. Judge, a seasoned educator and social worker, takes us through his eye-opening experiences in the juvenile justice system and public education. He recounts moments that propelled him to advocate for systemic change—particularly addressing disproportionality in discipline and centering prevention over punishment. His stories highlight the power of restorative practices in fostering equity and disrupting exclusionary systems. Together, they explore the intersection of leadership, social and emotional learning, and restorative practices frameworks in transforming both corporate and educational landscapes. Whether in a boardroom or a classroom, their insights reveal how intentional, relationship-driven approaches create sustainable change. Dr. Washington has more than 30 years of experience across various business sectors, including oil and gas, consumer products, nonprofits, education, and food services. He has served as an adjunct professor at both Loyola University of Chicago in the Quinlan School of Business and Union Institute and University. Michael has extensive experience in large-scale implementation, change management, and a strong belief in human-centered and conscious-driven decision-making. Dr. Judge has more than 25 years of experience in education, administration, large-scale implementation in schools, social work, and youth services. His career has focused on addressing systemic inequities in influential public institutions. He served as a special education teacher in a variety of public and institutional school settings, and as a school administrator at a large public alternative high school in Seattle, focused on providing restorative and healing-centered wraparound supports. As the Director of Social and Emotional Learning for Highline Public Schools, Doug led the districtwide implementation of restorative practices, positive behavior supports, and Social Emotional Learning (SEL).  Tune in to learn more about reimagining leadership through a relational lens and how Dr. Washington’s and Dr. Judge’s graduate certificate courses for the Graduate Certificate in Change Implementation in Organizations and Social Systems can support your work.