In this episode, we welcome former MP and long-term energy campaigner Laura Sandys to the podcast. In a wide-ranging discussion, Laura talks about what she has learned about how to reframe the energy market to be more friendly to consumers. We speak about big ideas, such as how we can learn from the mobile phone market to transfer ideas to the energy sector, why we expect the average consumer to be an electrical engineer, and harnessing the savviness of the consumer.