If you want to know who Mark Havenner is, you have to understand what The Way Things Are Publications is all about. He and his wife Jennifer began the Los Angeles-based independent publishing company in 2008.

Byron chats with Mark Havenner about the company, plus their mission and the future of the publishing industry.

Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy