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  • Episode 113: FOSS Backstage post-conference report

    Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!

    CHAOSScast – Episode 112

    In this special CHAOSS community panel episode, Harmony hosts a group discussion with Daniel Izquierdo, Peculiar Umeh, Cassie Seo, and Ijeoma Onwuka as they share their experiences at the FOSS Backstage conference held in Berlin. They dive into their goals for attending, the talks they gave, key takeaways, and what the open source community means to them. Topics covered include measuring social and economic impact through open source, building sustainable open-source projects, diversity in open-source communities, and various personal experiences and learnings that contribute to individual and community growth. Press download now to hear more!

    [00:00:29] Our guests introduce themselves and their backgrounds.

    [00:03:15] We start with FOSS Backstage conference takeaways from each guest.

    [00:08:49] Cassie recaps her panel, emphasizing the complexity of measuring impact in humanitarian and academic settings.

    [00:12:54] Sessions that stood out: Ijeoma points out a session on how open source can help meet UN SDGs and expresses interest in the newly released Open Source Principles.

    [00:14:35] Peculiar attended Stephen Pollard’s talk on an educational model by OpenChain, related to improving onboarding in open source.

    [00:16:30] Cassie learned about digital public health infrastructure via Bianca’s World Health Organization affiliated session.

    [00:17:58] Ijeoma was inspired by Dr. Wolfgang Gehring’s session on contributor efficiency and avoiding pseudo productivity. Cassie reiterates pseudo productivity issue and its implications in social impact metrics.

    [00:21:22] The discussion turns to people connections and Peculiar talks about meeting and connecting with Stephen Pollard and appreciating the support during her talk. Daniel saw value in meeting the broader community, and Ijeoma was proud to represent Nigeria and met CHAOSS members and other international speakers despite travel barriers.

    [00:25:07] There’s a conversation on what everyone learned at the conference. Cassie learned to overcome fear and embrace the value of her ideas despite technical difficulties and Peculiar felt deeply supported by the open source community during her illness mid-talk.

    [00:27:45] Daniel gained insight on EU regulation and how it affects small businesses and open source projects and Ijeoma learned to trust her voice and recognized the passion of global contributors.

    [00:30:19] We end with closing thoughts on the conference: Peculiar shares it was an amazing conference and is eager to attend future editions in person. Daniel reveals three hashtags to sum up his experience: Community, friends, and learning experience. Ijeoma called it an “exceptional” experience, including food, conversations, and inclusion. Cassie sums it up in three words: Urgency, care, and collaboration.

    Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

    • [00:32:01] Daniel’s pick is retro gaming.
    • [00:32:22] Peculiar’s pick is connecting with someone that helped her with a certain skill.
    • [00:32:54] Cassie’s pick is to go on a long walk every day without a phone.
    • [00:33:46] Ijeoma’s pick is making sure each contribution I make to each project is very impactful.
    • [00:34:18] Harmony’s pick is taking some late night drives and snack along the way.
    • Panelist:

      Harmony Elendu

      Guests:

      Daniel Izquierdo

      Peculiar Umeh

      Cassie Seo

      Ijeoma Onwuka

      Links:

      CHAOSS

      CHAOSS Project X

      CHAOSScast Podcast

      CHAOSS YouTube

      Harmony Elendu X

      Daniel Izquierdo LinkedIn

      Ijeoma Onwuka LinkedIn

      Cassie Jiun Seo LinkedIn

      Peculiar Umeh LinkedIn

      FOSS Backstage 2025 Sessions

      FOSS Backstage 2025

      Special Guests: Ijeoma Onwuka, Cassie Jiun Seo, and Peculiar Umeh.

      Support CHAOSScast

      35 min
    • Episode 112: Community health metrics and open infrastructure decision making – with Chrys Wu, Invest in Open Infrastructure

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      CHAOSScast – Episode 112

      In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Georg Link, along with Nicole Huesman and Ruth Ikegah, welcome guest Chrys Wu to discuss the findings from the “State of Open Infrastructure” report by Invest in Open Infrastructure (IOI). The episode dives into how community health frameworks shape open infrastructure decisions, highlighting various frameworks like CHAOSS metrics, the FOREST framework, and POSI. Chrys talks about the Infra Finder tool and the importance of trust in decision-making for open infrastructure. The conversation also touches on metrics for understanding community engagement, the challenges of resource allocation, and the impact of open infrastructure on research ecosystems. Press download now to find out more!

      [00:01:01] Chrys explains her role of product lead at IOI and leading the research for the “State of Open Infrastructure” report.

      [00:02:08] Why study community health frameworks? IOI heard repeated mentions of frameworks in conversations but wasn’t sure of their awareness or impact.

      [00:03:20] Chrys talks about the focus on three frameworks: CHAOSS, the FOREST framework (scholarly publishing), and POSI (The Principles of Open Scholarly Infrastructure).

      [00:06:20] Chrys defines “Open Infrastructure” that includes software, tools, standards, protocols used across the research lifecycle, and does not include hardware.

      [00:07:15] She shares some research findings that include a general low awareness of community health frameworks, trust is the key theme, and goes in depth with some primary concerns.

      [00:10:00] Ruth elaborates into CHAOSS metrics context explaining CHAOSS uses working groups to develop context-aware metrics and metrics and models help projects focus efforts, like identifying organizational diversity or adoption levels.

      [00:14:48] Who are CHAOSS metrics for? Ruth explains that metrics are made for the community: maintainers, users, contributors, and funders, and Georg talks about the origins of CHAOSS.

      [00:17:55] Chrys dives into the Infra Finder breakdown. She goes in depth what it gathers information on and how it allows organizations to assess readiness and sustainability of open infrastructure projects.

      [00:21:42] The Infra Finder has been used successfully in procurement processes. Chrys turns the conversation to talking about decision making. Users depend on peer feedback and case studies due to lack of formal sales/support in open source and she shares some key questions.

      [00:26:34] Nicole brings up the topic of supporting new contributors and there’s a discussion on how CHAOSS includes metrics to identify and support new contributors and resources include project badging, practitioner guides, and metric models. Also, Ruth talks about challenges for small projects.

      [00:31:35] Chrys details some information on how IOI helps improve project visibility by sharing entries and providing communications support.

      [00:32:38] As far as what’s next for the research they are doing, Chrys shares they’re doing more in-depth sharing of report findings coming soon and IOI invites collaborators to help build governance, strategy, and respond to community needs.

      Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

      • [00:35:16] Georg’s pick is electric vehicle infrastructure.
      • [00:36:00] Nicole’s pick is the concept of slow travel.
      • [00:37:03] Ruth’s pick is spontaneously hanging out with friends.
      • [00:38:19] Chrys’s pick is Simon Willison’s Newsletter and her favorite musical group, SHINee.
      • *Panelists: *

        Georg Link

        Nicole Huesman

        Ruth Ikegah

        Guest:

        Chrys Wu

        Links:

        CHAOSS

        CHAOSS Project X

        CHAOSScast Podcast

        CHAOSS YouTube

        Georg Link Website

        Nicole Huesman X

        Ruth Ikegah X

        Chrys Wu LinkedIn

        Invest in Open Infrastructure (IOI)

        Invest in Open Infrastructure Strategic Support

        Invest in Open Infrastructure Bluesky

        Invest in Open Infrastructure Mastodon

        Invest in Open Infrastructure LinkedIn

        IOI’s 2025 State of Open Infrastructure Report section, “Trust, transparency, and technology: Do community health frameworks shape open infrastructure decisions?”

        Infra Finder

        Infra Finder Expression of Interest

        CHAOSS Project DEI Metrics

        FOREST Framework

        The Principles of Open Scholarly Infrastructure

        2025 State of Open Infrastructure: Trends in characteristics, funding, policy and community health (Zenodo)

        Simon Willison’s Newsletter

        SHINee’s new single “Poet | Artist” (YouTube)

        Special Guest: Chrys Wu.

        Support CHAOSScast

        41 min
      • Episode 111: Introducing the CHAOSS Education Project

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        CHAOSScast – Episode 111

        In this episode of the CHAOSScast, host Harmony leads a discussion featuring panelists Dawn Foster, Peculiar Umeh, Aishat Muhammed, and Elizabeth Barron, all of whom are involved in the CHAOSS Education Project. They discuss their roles within the CHAOSS Project and introduce the CHAOSS Education Project, which aims to create accessible learning resources for open source contributors at various experience levels. They cover the project's categories, share their personal contributions, personal growth, the impact on the community, future plans for sustainability and expansion, and how you can contribute to the project. Hit download now to hear more!

        [00:00:27] The panelists introduce themselves and their backgrounds.

        [00:02:40] Peculiar gives an overview of the CHAOSS Education Project which launched at CHAOSScon Europe 2025.

        [00:04:39] Dawn talks about the target audience of the project, with the primary audience being CHAOSS community newcomers. and anybody can take any of the courses.

        [00:06:38] Elizabeth talks about her contribution with creating an ‘Into to CHAOSS’ video and helped review and update script content.

        [00:07:19] Aishat shares her contribution working on content about types of open source and licensing and how research deepened her own understanding.

        [00:09:20] Peculiar talks about her contributions as Project Manager where she led project design, content workflow, contributor onboarding, and quality review.

        [00:10:57] Dawn shares her contributions with creating the ‘Practitioner Guides’ videos and other key educational content.

        [00:12:12] Elizabeth speaks about the impact of the project, transitioning chaotic onboarding into a structured learning tool.

        [00:13:38] Aishat explains her personal growth form contributing, gaining deeper understanding of licensing and types of open source, and improving technical and collaborative skills.

        [00:14:45] Dawn shares her observations on community engagement and how happy she is seeing new faces, especially from CHAOSS Africa.

        [00:15:59] Peculiar shares her project management growth and how it enhanced her people skills, patience, and learned the value of diverse collaboration.

        [00:17:23] Harmony wants to know the future of CHAOSS Education Project and Elizabeth shares the project’s future and elaborates on the success of the project.

        [00:19:46] Aishat fills us in on how to contribute to the CHAOSS Education Project.

        [00:22:05] Peculiar talks about the global impact on the project with a streamlined onboarding process, positive community feedback, and universities and external communities using the materials.

        Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

        • [00:25:07] Harmony’s pick is to be open to mentor everyone as much as you can.
        • [00:25:49] Dawn’s pick is vacations.
        • [00:26:16] Elizabeth’s pick is “Good Things Happen to me and for me list.”
        • [00:27:05] Aishat’s pick is friendship.
        • [00:27:50] Peculiar’s** **pick is adventure.
        • Panelist:

          Harmony Elendu

          Guests:

          Dawn Foster

          Peculiar Umeh

          Aishat Muhammed

          Elizabeth Barron

          Links:

          CHAOSS

          CHAOSS Project X

          CHAOSScast Podcast

          Harmony Elendu X

          Dawn Foster Bluesky

          Peculiar Umeh LinkedIn

          Elizabeth Barron LinkedIn

          Aishat Muhammed LinkedIn

          CHAOSS Education

          CHAOSS Education Project

          CHAOSS Education GitHub

          Special Guests: Aishat Muhammed and Peculiar Umeh.

          Support CHAOSScast

          31 min
        • Episode 110: 20m in CHAOSS Africa with Busayo Ojo and Yigakpoa Ikpae

          Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!

          CHAOSScast – Episode 110

          In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu brings together two remarkable CHAOSS Africa contributors, Busayo Ojo and Yigakpoa Ikpae (Yiga), for an inspiring conversation in the "20 Minutes in CHAOSS Africa*"* series. They discuss how they discovered open source, navigated the CHAOSS community, overcame early confusion, and ultimately flourished as leaders and mentors. Also, they highlight the importance of participation, attending meetings, helping newcomers, and the unique initiatives within the CHAOSS community that help foster inclusivity and engagement. Press the download button now to hear more!

          [00:01:41] Busayo shares her open source journey that started in 2021.

          [00:04:08] Yiga shares finding her place with discovering CHAOSS at an event but initially didn’t understand it but returned after being inspired by the community’s warmth.

          [00:06:20] Busayo talks about settling into the community and praises CHAOSS for being welcoming, having an effective first-time contributor guide, and the importance of showing up and helping others.

          [00:10:54] Yiga talks about her first contributions and growth, starting with small tasks to build confidence, and becoming more involved through liaison and support roles.

          [00:12:46] Busayo explains how open source improved her career trajectory and global network, being inspired by other leaders, and forming lasting friendships.

          [00:14:21] Yiga explains her improved communication and leadership skills, learning humility and openness to feedback, and how contributions can open career doors.

          [00:17:02] Busayo shares her favorite CHAOSS initiatives including the Tour Guide Program, helping organize CHAOSScon Africa 2023, and the CHAOSS Hacktoberfest event.

          [00:19:59] What keeps Yiga going? She credits YouTube recordings for learning and highlights CHAOSS’s documentation culture and transparency.

          [00:20:55] Harmony reflects on how YouTube recordings helped him personally.

          Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

          • [00:21:20] Harmony’s pick is AI has been his personal assistant lately.
          • [00:21:48] Busayo’s pick is taking a break is very important.
          • [00:22:59] Yiga’s pick is using AI, take breaks, eat good food, and enjoy life.
          • *Panelist: * Harmony Elendu

            Guests:

            Yigakpoa Ikpae (Yiga)

            Busayo Ojo

            Links:

            CHAOSS

            CHAOSS Project X

            CHAOSScast Podcast

            CHAOSS YouTube

            Harmony Elendu X

            Busayo Ojo (Medium)

            Yigakpoa Ikpae (Yiga) (CHAOSS)

            CHAOSS Africa

            Special Guest: Yigakpoa Ikpae.

            Support CHAOSScast

            26 min
          • Episode 109: SBOMs and Project Health with Brittany Istenes

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            CHAOSScast – Episode 109

            In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Georg Link is joined by Cali Dolfi, Senior Data Scientist at Red Hat, and Brittany Istenes, FINOS Ambassador. The discussion delves into the importance of measuring open source community health and the role of Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) in ensuring software security and compliance. They talk about the rising threats in open source software, the need for standardizing SBOMs, and how organizations can leverage these tools to proactively manage risks and project health. Also, they touch on practical steps being taken at Red Hat and other organizations to address these challenges. Hit download now to hear more!

            [00:00:21] Our guests introduce themselves and their backgrounds.

            [00:01:55] Georg explains the rise of malicious packages (700%) and the risks of neglected open source components.

            [00:04:36] What is a SBOM? Brittany explains SBOMs as a list of all software components and libraries in each application and automation and tooling adoption is discussed.

            [00:06:08] Cali outlines the lack of consensus on SBOM fields and formats and advocates for including upstream repo links to assess project health. Brittany mentions companies being cautious about publicizing SBOMs due to IP concerns.

            [00:09:12] Georg gives a historical overview about SBOMs began as tools for license compliance and how SBOMs now cover more including cybersecurity, post U.S. Executive Order 14028 (May 2021).

            [00:15:51] Georg shares three pillars of SBOM strategy: License compliance, Security, and Project Health and how CHAOSS Metrics can be combined with SBOMs to move from reactive to proactive strategies.

            [00:16:59] Brittany emphasizes risk analysis and good design from project inception and proactive open source strategies save effort later.

            [00:18:43] Cali talks about using project health metrics and advocates for tracking maintainer activity, patch frequency, and project responsiveness.

            [00:21:28] Brittany stresses internal engineering education on project health and risk and developer smush understand what makes a project “healthy.”

            [00:22:55] Georg talks about how open source has evolved and details using CHAOSS metrics for risk assessment and CI/CD integration.

            [00:27:36] Cali shares Red Hat’s efforts to define what makes a project vulnerable and how it’s focused on detecting and sunsetting unmaintained dependencies.

            [00:31:37] Brittany emphasizes risk from version mismatches and misinterpreted CVEs and mentions a CHAOSS doc to read, “Metrics for OSS Viability” by Gary White.

            [00:34:17] We end with Georg sharing some upcoming events: CHAOSScon North America, June 26 and Open Source Summit North America, June 23-25.

            Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

            • [00:36:08] Georg’s pick is building a platform for his dog to look out the window.
            • [00:37:06] Brittany’s pick is spending time with Georg and Cali.
            • [00:38:12] Cali’s pick is her great support system since having ACL surgery.
            • *Panelist: *

              Georg Link

              Guests:

              Cali Dolfi

              Brittany Istenes

              Links:

              CHAOSS

              CHAOSS Project X

              CHAOSScast Podcast

              Georg Link Website

              Britany Istenes LinkedIn

              Brittany Istenes GitHub

              Cali Dolfi LinkedIn

              State of the Software Supply Chain (Sonatype)

              CHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 103: GrimoireLab at FreeBSD

              CHAOSS Community: Metrics for OSS Viability by Gary White

              CHAOSScon North America 2025, Denver, CO, June 26

              Open Source Summit North America, Denver CO, June 23-25

              Fintech Open Source (FINOS)

              Cyber Resilience Act (European Commission)

              Rising Threat: Understanding Software Supply Chain Cyberattacks And Protecting Against Them(Forbes)

              Executive Order on Strengthening and Promoting Innovation in the Nation’s Cybersecurity (The White House)

              Types of Software Bill of Material (SBOM) Documents

              OpenSSF Scorecard

              OSS Project Viability Starter (CHAOSS)

              Show Me What You Got: Turning SBOMs Into Actions- Georg Link & Brittany Istenes

              Special Guests: Brittany Istenes and Cali Dolfi.

              Support CHAOSScast

              40 min
            • Episode 108: CHAOSS in Asia with Divya Mohan, Leon N, and Yaya Xia

              Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!

              CHAOSScast – Episode 108

              In this episode of CHAOSScast, Harmony Elendu hosts a dynamic panel discussion with Divya Mohan, Yaya Xia, and Leon Nunes to discuss the latest updates from the CHAOSS Asia chapter. The episode dives into the history and growth of the CHAOSS Asia chapter, from focusing on metrics and localization to expanding collaborations across Asia. They discuss the challenges of awareness, contributor participation and cultural and linguistic diversity. The conversation also highlights plans for 2025 to include creating a database of open-source communities in Asia and enhancing community engagement through tailored awareness efforts. The conversation also touches on the importance of mentorship in open-source communities. Hit download now to hear more!

              [00:00:31] The guests introduce themselves and their backgrounds.

              [00:03:31] Yaya tells us the brief history of CHAOSS Asia that started in 2020.

              [00:05:09] Divya talks about the growth and strategy of CHAOSS Asia and how it shifted to broader community engagement and partnerships.

              [00:07:53] Leon talks about contributor participation and the GitHub repo for issues if anyone is interested in participating.

              [00:09:24] Divya shares plans for 2025 to include creating a database of open source communities in Asia.

              [00:11:02] Yaya dives into some challenges such as cultural and language barriers, CHAOSS is more research-focused, and the need for localized, language-accessible discussions and events.

              [00:13:18] Divya brings up awareness being a huge challenge when it comes to the CHAOSS project because many assume CHAOSS is only about non-technical/community work and region-specific tailored outreach is necessary.

              [00:15:29] Harmony asks about the current focus in CHAOSS Asia and Divya shares increasing awareness through virtual meetups, conference talks, and partnering with organizations.

              [00:16:40] Leon speaks about the social media and language inclusion presence with CHAOSS Asia managing Twitter and LinkedIn and considering localized subgroups for language-specific events.

              [00:18:21] Yaya talks about local orgs and events to connect CHAOSS and wants to bring more attention to inclusion for disabled contributors (DEI).

              [00:20:05] Divya highlights the importance of partnerships and amplifying others’ work.

              [00:21:26] Divya talks about how they are maximizing community and contributors’ participation with meetings scheduled for convenience across Asian time zones and emphasis on safety, inclusion, and providing space for diverse voices.

              [00:23:11] Yaya speaks about wanting to demonstrate metrics’ value to more maintainers and plans to present at local events in native languages (e.g. Chinese).

              Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

              • [00:25:24] Harmony’s pick is mentorship.
              • [00:26:17] Divya’s pick is her two cats.
              • [00:26:56] Yaya’s pick is her cat.
              • [00:27:29] Leon’s pick is his cat, traveling, and dancing.
              • Panelist:

                Harmony Elendu

                Guests:

                Divya Mohan

                Yaya Xia

                Leon Nunes

                Links:

                CHAOSS

                CHAOSS Project X

                CHAOSScast Podcast

                CHAOSS Community Slack

                Harmony Elendu X

                Divya Mohan LinkedIn

                Leon Nunes LinkedIn

                Yaya Xia LinkedIn

                CHAOSS Asia

                CHAOSS Asia GitHub

                Special Guest: Divya Mohan.

                Support CHAOSScast

                29 min
              • Episode 107: Guest Episode - Sustain meets Sean Goggins to talk about CHAOSS and Auger

                Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!

                CHAOSScast- Episode 107

                In this episode of CHAOSScast, we have a special crossover episode with Sustain, hosted Richard Littauer. Richard chats with CHAOSS contributor Sean Goggins, a tenured full Professor of Computer Science at the University of Missouri. Sean discusses his extensive involvement in the open source community, particularly through his work with the CHAOSS Project, a Linux Foundation initiative focused on understanding and improving open-source project sustainability. Their conversation covers Sean's academic background, his role in CHAOSS, the importance of distributed leadership, and how metrics can impact the sustainability of open source projects. Sean also shares insights into his teaching methods, the challenges of maintaining open source software, and the future direction of his work on CHAOSS and Augur. Hit the download button now!

                [00:02:32] Sean shares that he’s a professor specializing in software engineering, algorithms, data science, and visualization, and he discusses his tenure status and passion for research and open source work.

                [00:03:48] Sean explains how open source leadership is distributed rather than centralized.

                [00:05:52] We hear how the CHAOSS Project emerged from studying open source governance and leadership. Sean and Matt Germonprez started working on open source collaboration data and a metrics-focused discussion at a Linux Foundation Summit that led to the founding of the CHAOSS Project in 2017.

                [00:09:30] Richard asks Sean how he balances research, teaching, and open source. Sean discusses how he splits time between research (40%), teaching (40%), and service (20%), with CHAOSS being a major part of his research efforts.

                [00:14:34] Sean explains that the Augur Project was born out of a need for structured open source data tracking.

                [00:16:25] Richard asks Sean if he teaches his students about open source, and he explains that he uses CHAOSS and Auger to teach students about GitHub collaboration, pull requests, and open source workflows.

                [00:20:32] Sean shares his insights on research and open source. He emphasizes his involvement in maintaining software and aiding organizations in making sense of CHAOSS metrics through Augur, which has given him a deep understanding of open source development.

                [00:21:51] Sean explains why he thinks metrics help make projects more sustainable and how the CHAOSS community has benefitted from fostering a welcoming environment for both technical and non-technical contributors.

                [00:26:30] We hear some challenges within CHAOSS where it’s been difficult to build a strong developer community around CHAOSS software tools and maintaining open source software requires significant effort.

                [00:29:18] He goes further to explain how to be a better project and that there’s potential for improving project sustainability through structured mentoring and governance.

                [00:36:14] Sean shares CHAOSS Project’s future and research goals.

                Panelist:

                Richard Littauer of Sustain

                Guest:

                Sean Goggins of CHAOSS

                Value Adds (Picks)/Spotlight:

                • [00:38:32] Richard’s spotlight is BibtexParser.
                • [00:39:28] Sean’s spotlight is Stuart Geiger.
                • Links:

                  SustainOSS

                  SustainOSS Discourse

                  SustainOSS Mastodon

                  Open Collective-SustainOSS (Contribute)

                  Richard Littauer Socials

                  Sean Goggins Website

                  Sean Goggins X

                  Nora McDonald Website

                  Nora McDonald-Commonwealth Cyber Initiative

                  Sustain Podcast- 3 episodes featuring guest Georg Link

                  Sustain Podcast- 2 episodes featuring guest Dawn Foster

                  Matt Germonprez-Univ. of Nebraska Omaha

                  The Linux Kernel Maintainer Summit-Tokyo, Japan 2025

                  Alfred P. Sloan Foundation

                  CHAOSS

                  CHAOSS-GrimoireLab

                  CHAOSS-Augur

                  Kelly Blincoe-University of Auckland

                  James Howison

                  Sustain Podcast- episode 218 featuring guest James Howison

                  Sustain Podcast-episode 243 featuring guest Elizabeth Barron

                  Sustain Podcast-episode 65 featuring guest Brian Proffitt

                  Sustain Podcast-2 episodes featuring guest Duane O’Brien

                  Sustain Podcast-episode 200 featuring guest Stuart Geiger

                  Digital Infrastructure Podcast- 2 episodes featuring guest Rayya El Zein

                  BibtexParser

                  Stuart Geiger

                  Special Guest: Richard Littauer.

                  Support CHAOSScast

                  43 min
                • Episode 106: Funding Impact Measurement Working Group

                  Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!

                  CHAOSScast – Episode 106

                  In this episode of the CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby introduces guests Dawn Foster, Cailean Osborne, and Paul Sharratt to discuss the newly formed 'Funding Impact Measurement Working Group' within the CHAOSS community. The panel explores the group's origins, goals, and objectives, emphasizing the importance of mixed method approaches to assess the impact of funding on open source projects. They highlight the significance of both quantitative and qualitative methods to understand the effects of funding better and share insights on creating standardized frameworks for impact assessment. The discussion also touches on the challenges of public versus private funding, the nuances of financial support in open source projects, and the potential benefits of having a collaborative, open forum for related discussions. Hit download now to hear more!

                  [00:02:55] Dawn explains the newly established ‘Funding Impact Measurement Working Group’ within the CHAOSS Project including its goals and how often they meet.

                  [00:04:26] Paul describes how the working group was founded after a research paper was written on measuring the impact of public funding on open source and how they presented at Open Forum Academy at Harvard Business School.

                  [00:07:20] Dawn highlights open source funding comes from different sources and more about Microsoft’s FOSS Fund and measuring the impact of corporate sponsorship.

                  [00:10:25] Cailean outlines all the core objectives of the working group.

                  [00:13:17] We hear about the working group’s first meeting, including members from Digital Infrastructure Insights Fund, and the plan to build a repository of funding models, their effectiveness, and key case studies.

                  [00:15:34] There’s a discussion on the challenges in measuring funding impact, which Dawn explains cases where funding has led to community conflicts (some contributors get paid while others remain unpaid).

                  [00:19:45] Cailean talks about the long-term vision for the group which is expanding participation across different funding sources and building open source tools (e.g., Python scripts, Jupyter Notebooks) to support funding impact assessments.

                  [00:21:26] Dawn encourages participation in a working group by contributing in various ways, whether through technical resources, providing insights and experiences related to funding impacts, or simply learning and engaging in discussions.

                  [00:23:42] Paul and Cailean emphasize the need for qualitative research alongside quantitative metrics. Policymakers often seek “hard numbers,” but contextual insights from interviews and case studies are crucial.

                  Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

                  • [00:29:12] Cailean’s pick is Audrey Tang at RightsCon on her dual meaning of digital in Chinese.
                  • [00:30:34] Dawn’s pick is Blender for designing 3D models she can print.
                  • [00:32:35] Paul's pick is ERROR bug bounty program.
                  • [00:33:46] Alice’s pick is scrolling for things on eBay like fun sweaters.
                  • Panelist:

                    Alice Sowerby

                    Guests:

                    Dawn Foster

                    Cailean Osborne

                    Paul Sharratt

                    Links:

                    CHAOSS

                    CHAOSS Project X

                    CHAOSScast Podcast

                    CHAOSS Slack

                    CHAOSS Calendar

                    Alice Sowerby LinkedIn

                    Dawn Foster Bluesky

                    Cailean Osborne, PhD LinkedIn

                    Paul Sharratt LinkedIn

                    Paul Sharratt Bluesky

                    Sovereign Tech Agency

                    The Linux Foundation Europe

                    Funding Impact Measurement Working Group

                    A Toolkit for Measuring the Impacts of Public Funding on Open Source Software Development (Paper)

                    “Measuring the impact of our investments: introducing a co-authored paper,” by Paul Sharratt

                    [Audrey Tang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang#:~:text=Audrey%20Tang%20(Chinese%3A%20%E5%94%90%E9%B3%B3,ten%20greatest%20Taiwanese%20computing%20personalities%22.)

                    ERROR

                    Blender

                    #1-Dawn designed and printed on Blender

                    #2-Dawn designed and printed on Blender

                    Special Guests: Cailean Osborne and Paul Sharratt.

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                    36 min
                  • Episode 105: GrimoireLab at Thunderbird

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                    CHAOSScast – Episode 105

                    In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby introduces guests Heather Ellsworth, Wayne Mery, and Luis Cañas-Díaz. Today, the conversation focuses on the collaboration between Thunderbird and Bitergia, detailing their journey in using Grimoire Lab to gather community metrics. Key points include the importance of metrics in understanding community dynamics, the various tools monitored for data collection, and the impact of these metrics on community management. The panelists also share advice for other open source projects considering adopting Grimoire Lab and reflect on future plans. Press download now to hear more!

                    [00:00:31] Alice, Heather, Wayne and Luis introduce themselves and share their backgrounds.

                    [00:04:08] Wayne explains Thunderbird’s history and evolution from Netscape Navigator and Heather adds her personal experience with Thunderbird as a user and developer.

                    [00:06:21] Luis elaborates on Bitergia’s role in providing data and metrics for the Thunderbird community.

                    [00:07:51] Heather discusses the project between Thunderbird and Bitergia, focusing on community health and data analysis and Wayne emphasizes the need for metrics to understand community dynamics better.

                    [00:10:10] The origin of the collaboration idea is traced back to discussions about community metrics and Heather and Wayne reflect on their discovery and learning process with GrimoireLab and CHAOSS.

                    [00:12:09] Luis compares the Thunderbird project with other similar projects and discusses the challenges due to diverse tools.

                    [00:13:47] Heather talks about developing dashboards to monitor various types of contributions within the Thunderbird community.

                    [00:16:06] Wayne describes refining the data to better suit Thunderbird’s needs.

                    [00:17:16] Heather mentions how metrics have influenced Thunderbird’s community engagement strategies.

                    [00:18:13] The accessibility and public sharing of dashboards is discussed.

                    [00:21:13] The conversation turns to future plans with GrimoireLab, metrics, and Thunderbird are outlined, focusing on understanding community dynamics better.

                    [00:23:05] Heather speaks about some of the dashboards in more detail.

                    [00:25:50] Luis talks about new developments on GrimoireLab, including the extension and updating of tools by their team to enhance support for forums, translation, communication, and tracking issues.

                    [00:27:46] Our guests share advice about adopting GrimoireLab for other open source projects and GrimoireLab’s benefits.

                    Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

                    • [00:30:25] Alice’s pick is party games like pass the parcel.
                    • [00:31:49] Luis’s pick is a new coffee machine and making coffee.
                    • [00:32:35] Heather’s pick is Belgium chocolate from FOSDEM.
                    • [00:33:21] Wayne’s pick is touring Belgium.
                    • Panelist:

                      Alice Sowerby

                      Guests:

                      Luis Cañas-Díaz

                      Heather Ellsworth

                      Wayne Mery

                      Links:

                      CHAOSS

                      CHAOSS Project X

                      CHAOSScast Podcast

                      Alice Sowerby LinkedIn

                      Luis Cañas-Díaz LinkedIn

                      Luis Cañas-Díaz Website

                      Heather Ellsworth Mastodon

                      Heather Ellsworth LinkedIn

                      Wayne Mery LinkedIn

                      Thunderbird Blog-“Open Source, Open Data: Visualizing Our Community with Bitergia”

                      Thunderbird

                      Bitergia

                      Bitergia Analytics-Thunderbird

                      Thunderbird Installation Statistics

                      Thunderbird Participate

                      Pass the parcel

                      Special Guests: Heather Ellsworth, Luis Cañas-Díaz, and Wayne Mery.

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                    • Episode 104: 20m in CHAOSS Africa with Oluchi Nwankwo and Winifred Young

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                      CHAOSScast – Episode 104

                      In this episode of CHAOSScast, join our host Harmony along with guests Winifred Young and Oluchi Nwankwo as they dive into their journeys and experiences in the open source community. They discuss their first encounters with open source, their contributions, and the impacts they've made within CHAOSS Africa. They also highlight the importance of effective onboarding, clear documentation, and the need for better marketing strategies in open source communities. Press download to hear more!

                      [00:00:24] Winifred and Oluchi introduce themselves and tell us what they do.

                      [00:01:55] Winifred recounts her initial confusion about open source and her eventual engagement through programs like Google Summer of Code.

                      [00:02:53] Oluchi describes her introduction to open source during a coding bootcamp and meeting Ruth Ikegah, community lead at CHAOSS Africa.

                      [00:04:52] Oluchi talks about her slow start and eventual active involvement in the CHAOSS Africa community through managing social media.

                      [00:06:50] Winifred shares her struggles with joining the community due to her mobility issues and how she became more involved through attending community meetings.

                      [00:09:28] Harmony highlights the importance of attending community meetings as a form of participation and praises newcomers’ hangout for helping new members.

                      [00:11:13] Oluchi reflects on her impactful experience managing CHAOSS Africa’s conference communications in 2018.

                      [00:13:07] Winifred discusses organizing an outreach event for the Disability-Inclusion team, emphasizing how open source has provided her with opportunities to lead and make a difference.

                      [00:16:14] We end with a discussion on the areas for improvement in the community, like better documentation and increased visibility of projects through effective marketing.

                      Value Adds (Picks) of the week:

                      • [00:19:50] Oluchi’s pick is to make that switch and see yourself flourish.
                      • [00:20:23] Winifred’s pick is to learn how your brain works and don’t be shy to ask for help.
                      • [00:21:06] Harmony’s pick is to just take the risk.
                      • Panelist:

                        Harmony Elendu

                        Guests:

                        Oluchi Nwankwo

                        Winifred Young

                        Links:

                        CHAOSS

                        CHAOSS Project X

                        CHAOSScast Podcast

                        Harmony Elendu X

                        Harmony Elendu LinkedIn

                        Oluchi Nwankwo X

                        Oluchi Nwankwo LinkedIn

                        Winifred Young X

                        Winifred Young LinkedIn

                        CHAOSS Project Africa X

                        CHAOSS-Africa GitHub

                        Disability Outreach- Bridging Disability And Technology- CHAOSS Blog Post by Victoria Ottah and Winifred Young

                        Special Guests: Oluchi Nwankwo and Winifred Young.

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                      This CHAOSS Community podcast features members who spent considerable time and effort to understand open source community health and how we can measure it through metrics, analytics, and software. We…