Man of many words, Erik Caplan of Thunderbird Divine drops in for the first of a two-parter. Together with our aging cipher, they discuss Black Sabbath doing BLM right, t-shirt comfort, the thing about bands that sound like Sleep, why the best bands mix it up, Rob Halford's secrets, wearing a bandless battle vest, debating Danzig against your bandmates, when indie rock went riff rock, and feeling comfortable in experimentation.

Stay tuned for part two next week!

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Track featured is "Bummer Bridge" off Magnasonic