Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

Charles Vincent Sabba, Jr. on Italian Cultural Patrimony, Art Theft, Isabella Stewart Gardner's Collection Practices, the Gardner Heist, the Getty's Failure to Return the Lysippos di Fano and more


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Cover art - The Scream, fingerprint ink on police print card done in thumb print, 2" x 1-1/4", 2004 copyright Charles Vincent Sabba

The following are links for Charles Sabba's artwork, blog and articles with La Voce di New York.

Show Notes

0:00 Sabba’s great-grandfather

3:45 retired police captain

4:15 duCret School of Art in Plainfield, NJ

4:50 1986 - Austrialian Cultural Terrorists stole Weeping Woman by Picasso

6:20 NYPD Art Theft Investigator 

3:40 US Navy 

7:30 Naples, Italy

8:35 federal corrections’ witness protection unit

11:20 School of Visual Arts 

11:40 Betty Thompkins

11:44 Andrew Gensel

11:45 Anton van Dalen and his show at the PPOW Gallery 

12:25 Fred DePalma

13:00 influence of his police work on his art

14:30 documentary Defending the Peninsula

18:00 the era of power and money over cultural patrimony

18:40 Napoleon’s looting of Italy 

20:30 Monuments Men

21:55 1800s Papal Edict governing exportation of works from Italy 

22:30 1947 article 9 of Italy’s Constitution 

23:50 collection of Gardner Museum 

24:35 Vermeer’s The Concert purchased by Gardner

26:00 Getty Trust - fight over Euphronios Krater with the Met

27:45 Manhattan DA’s office April 2022 seizure

28:30 Lysippos di Fano Bronze

34:30 agreement to table discussion about return of Lysippos pending Italian court ruling

36:45 assertion that the Lysippos is Greek not Italian

39:30 status of request for return of Lysippos

39:50 History Channel television series Histories Greatest Heists with Pierce Brosnan

41:00 paint chips sent to Boston Herald related to Gardner Heist

44:00 1997 - William Youngworth negotiated with Gardner Museum for return of stolen works via prosecutors

45:45 Chicago-based Expert Walter McCrone determined paint chips were from Rembrandt.

48:35 1998 - Vermeer expert 

49:10 2003 - Dr. Hubert von Sonnenburg, Chairman of Paintings Conservation at The Met, found chips were consistent with the Vermeer

50:00 Dr. Jennifer Mass’ opinion about the Sonnenberg’s opinion on the paint chips 

52:30 Sabba’s painting practice reflects his interest in art crime - fingerprint paintings

53:50 Sabba’s portraits of individuals involved in art crime 

55:25 Art critic Jerry Saltz

56:30 Y Gallery

58:15 artists that speak to social issues, e.g., prison reform

1:01:25 Sophie Calle: Last Seen

1:02:05 climate activists’ attacks on soft targets

1:06:40 Justice defined

1:09:20 Legacy

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Music by Toulme.

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