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Show notes:

1:00 Aaron Levi Garvey’s background 

2:30 art as a tool to create conversation

5:00 art to aid conversations on difficult topics

5:30 Vietnam Memorial in D.C.

6:30 The National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery, AL

7:15 Holocaust Memorial in Berlin, Germany

8:30 ALG’s curatorial work about memory, loss of memory and internal revisions of personal history

10:00 “You Should Have Been There” exhibition’s origin

13:00 artists included in “You Should Have Been There”

15:15 ALG’s documentation project “Histories in Hand” with Holocaust survivors about survival and object memory 

23:30 increased outlets to spread antisemitism and a rise in denial of antisemitism and Holocaust denial

32:00 the importance of documentation 

35:00 the need for allies to speak out as a way to shift culture

38:00 defining justice as a moving target – food sustainability, safety, freedom of thought

42:00 ALG’s hope that his work will inspire reflection 

43:30 ALG’s efforts to bring his Jewish heritage forward through his work  

47:00 ALG’s inquiry about the documentation of the podcast 

50:00 how storytelling changes based on the lived experience of the teller

52:00 How the sacred moments of our lives shift our trajectories

55:00 ALG’s family background that he carries with him

57:30 a potential exhibition about the craft of watchmaking

59:50 objects for the “Histories in Hand” project

1:03:00 ripple effect of and stories shared in the “Histories in Hand” project

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Show notes:

0:00 Inha Cha’s comments on the takeaway she hopes listeners have to the panel discussion

0:30 introduction by Stephanie Drawdy

2:10 introduction by Haneen Alkenany

2:42 introduction by Inha Cha

3:30 introduction by Patrick McGranaghan 

4:30 HA–research with visual artists on use of AI in light of creative cognition theories on divergent thinking and convergent thinking 

8:00 IC–research around selective choices of AI use in the workplace in light of questions around agency and identity

10:00 HA–mixed opinions by creatives on AI use

10:35 IC’s co-authored article entitled “The Values of Value in AI Adoption: Rethinking Efficiency in UX Designers' Workplaces” – workers as artisans seeking greater agency per Economist Joan M Greenbaum (1979. In the name of efficiency: Management theory and shopfloor practice in data processing work. Temple University)

13:50 HA–AI use as part of the creative process based on artists’ personal choices of when and how to use AI 

15:10 PM–paradox created by AI: need to understand AI outputs to actively avoid AI patterns and to avoid having their works seen as less valuable if suspected to be generated by AI

18:15 PM-ChatGPT's use of Studio Ghibli 

19:10 Emily Gould–increase in value of human-created work

19:50 use of GI indicator model to mark / certify human-authored work

20:30 PM–Christopher Nolan’s choice not to use AI in upcoming film, The Odyssey 

22:00 HA–decision when to use AI depends on the context

23:00 IC–design life cycle for introduction of AI features and value of AI for users

26:00 HA–creators’ use of AI as a controlled collaborator but not decision-maker

27:00 Gould–view of AI as just another tool

27:50 HA–democratization through AI

28:50 IC-AI-generated actor as an ex. to question who is benefiting from AI democratization and the need for balance

31:15 IC–her article’s use in AI training based on platform's general consent language – ex. of how ‘consent’ is being stretched without creators having a voice in how their content is used

34:10 PM–public outrage response to use of creators’ work without consent, e.g., IG’s withdrawal of terms and conditions that allowed use of anyone’s photos after Twitter backlash erupted to those terms and conditions

36:20 EG–Adobe’s use of data without consent

37:35 PM–violations by platforms like IG and Adobe

38:35 EG’s question to HA about creatives’ view of their work used in training data

41:25 PM–UK collective management organisation Design and Artists Copyright Society  (DACS)’s efforts to ensure dark patterns not used 

42:45 HA–exaggerated fear of AI in her perspective 

43:40 PM and HA on AI stages like the ideation cycle versus the story/experience and artist's intent behind their work

46:15 PM–posthumous rights in light of AI, e.g., Osamu Tezuka x AI Project 

49:00 PM–AI-generated work based on Ansel Adams’ work without permission of AA Foundation 

50:00 EG and PM-distinction between posthumous creation without AI versus with AI 

53:00 IC–closing comments

53:30 HA–closing comments on creators’ thoughtful use of AI and HA’s personal use of AI

55:10 PM-closing thoughts 

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Show Notes:

1:40 Markevitch’s background as an Impressionist and Modernist expert 

3:30 democratization of art like the music industry

4:30 accessibility of art and how art makes us feel

5:20 unfairness of the art industry’s elitist approach 

8:00 Emily Gould-inquiry on how to bring more people into the art world

10:00 art world representative’s narrow perspective on criteria to be an artist

12:45 Markevitch’s creative prompts on YouTube and Instagram

14:00 Markevitch’s perspective on AI and art

17:25 Picasso’s mantra that “bad artists copy” and “good artists steal” and his style appropriation from African art

19:05 Astrologist Neil deGrasse Tyson’s perspective on art and AI 

21:45 ikonoTV and its purpose to share a feeling 

23:00 the Slow Art Movement

28:25 Gould’s inquiry about the experience of art online versus with community

29:00 Philosopher Walter Benjamin’s 1935 essay, “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction”

30:00 feedback about ikono.tv that includes giving individuals courage to go to museums

34:15 placing art in hospitals  

37:55 launch of ikono’s meditation app: slow, feel the calm 

38:55 ikono.tv’s “projects we love” page, including an art survey app to develop your “emotional garden” about an event, Sentiko.app 

50:00 future of ikonoTV to include all films that feature art

51:45 legacy that Markevitch hopes to be making with her work: to bring art to the people

52:30 Markevitch’s view on the power of art: “Art is what makes us human.”

53:30 Markevitch’s inspiration

54:00 how Markevitch defines justice  

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Show notes:
0:00 – Caterina Moruzzi on knowing the needs that standards should respond to

1:30 results of the “Authenticity Unmasked” exhibition, part of the CREATEC project sponsored by UK’s BRAID (Bridging Responsible AI Divides) and UK Research and Innovation Programme
4:00 “Authenticity Unmasked” exhibition with 3 artists responding to how AI is changing authenticity: Georgia Gardner, Kinnari Saraiya, dmstfctn
8:00 interdisciplinary aim of BRAID 

9:20 “Embracing the Complexities of Authenticity” project
13:45 standards should consider the level of diversity and detail creators want included with their work-ex: creator’s intent for why they used certain tools
16:30 distributing credit and authorship
17:35 types of authenticity discussed in the Content Authenticities article
19:20 ex: Beethoven
22:40 questions raised by the use of AI to build on works by deceased artists like the Beethoven X: AI project
25:30 Matt Dryhurst and Molly Herdon’s project of training AI model on choirs recorded across the UK
27:25 change to “originality” definition
32:00 US copyright approach and A Single Piece of American Cheese
34:40 blockchain use as seen through ORAgen
39:00 pillars of provenance standard – metadata, watermarking and fingerprint
41:00 concerns of creatives from economic harm to loss of identity
44:00 jurisdictional approaches to generative AI
46:50 EU AI Act’s mandatory transparency requirements to establish content provenance under code of practice on marking and labeling AI outputs
48:45 input of creators on policy like through C2PA community
52:45 defining justice for the creative sector: equity of agency and accountability/responsibility 
55:40 mark CM hopes to make in her work-to find a proactive approach 
59:00 collaborative book project of CM to rethink what the material aspects of creativity mean
1:01:00 Stefania Salles Bruins’ questions to CM
1:03:25 CM: AI versus artistic workshops of artists from Rembrandt to Koons
1:07:00 CM: opt out v opt out issues as seen with AI functionality on phones 
1:10:00 Emily Gould's comments 
1:13:00 AI agents-possible danger of anthropomorphizing AI agents
1:16:00 authenticity
1:17:00 case study related to responsibility-reporter in war zone who doesn’t want certain metadata disclosed as seen with Georgia Gardner’s exploration of an author’s process when they don’t want all info disclosed
1:19:20 face value of ‘responsibility’ in regard to liability and the ability to receive feedback on your work from the environment such as critics even if you don’t disclose your identity
1:21:30 what creativity is, what a work of art is
1:25:20 SSB: Tolstoy’s definition of great art as requiring universality, sincerity and specificity

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Please visit LEVA, 6th Edition's site to learn more. 

Show Notes:

0:00 Prof. Stephen Urice describes Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts 

1:30 Urice's background 

3:25 Hon. Simon Frankel's background

6:00 SU: evolution of Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts (LEVA)

9:00 SF: changes in LEVA, 6th Ed.

11:40 SF: 6th Ed.’s accessibility and increased framing

12:25 SU: 6th Ed.’s shift in perspective to a more centrist presentation

14:00 SF: 6th Ed.’s usefulness for a broad audience

15:20 SU: examples of stories in 6th Ed, e.g., Naruto v. Slater, (9th Cir. 2018) 

16:00 SU: Brancusi v. US, 54 Treas. Dec. 428 (U.S. Customs Court 1928) 

 17:25 SF: variety of materials in LEVA, e.g., articles, statutes, transcripts, novels

18:20 SF: Examples of cases about the authenticity of works and the disconnect between legal judgments and art world valuations: Greenberg Gallery v. Bauman, 817 F. Supp. 167 (D.D.C. 1993), aff’d without opinion, 36 F.3d 127 (D.C. Cir. 1994) (Calder sculpture held to be authentic by the trial judge versus expert Klaus Perls’ rejection of the work) 

20:30 SF: Herstand & Co. v. Gallery Gertrude Stein Inc., 211 A.D.2d 77 (N.Y. App. Div. 1995) (remand on authenticity of Balthus drawing despite Balthus' repudiation of the work) 

22:40 SU: colorful settings and range of legal issues arising in art-related cases

24:45 ethical issues arising in art-related disputes, e.g., restitution claims

26:35 SF: Museum Studies Scholar Marie Malaro, the law makes us only bearable, not honorable.

27:00 Holocaust Expropriated Art Recovery Act of 2016; HEAR Act of 2025 

31:50 LEVA website and its future resources

34:10 SU: AI-generated discussions about issues in LEVA, 6th Ed.

36:00 SU: 6th Ed. updates 

37:05 SF: generative AI issues in pending suits

40:00 LEVA, 7th Ed.

41:30 Feedback from readers of 6th Ed.

42:15 Tax issues covered in 6th Ed.

45:50 SF: definition of justice

47:50 SU: ethical concerns in defining justice to aim for honor 

50:00 SF: mark he hopes to be making 

50:55 SU: mark he hopes to be making with LEVA

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Show Notes:

1:35 Patrick McGranaghan’s background 

2:45 McGranaghan’s work with Pierre Valentin

3:05 focus on collision of culture and infrastructure

4:45 “evidential fog” around AI in the arts

6:00 abstract nature of these AI issues 

7:00 his writing on these issues to navigate these issues

8:30 EU’s AI framework “recognizes the structural nature of the problem” – can’t be minor updates to old copyright debates, “AI creates problems of scale, opacity and jurisdictional arbitrage that traditional legal categories do not solve very elegantly.” 

10:00 incentive for jurisdiction shopping

11:40 Getty v. Stability AI in the UK 

14:05 EU AI Act’s extraterritorial obligations 

15:00 EU AI Act, Article 53: general purpose models brought into EU must comply with EU copyright law, including opt out reservations; and detailed summary of training data

17:55 UK’s approach is more exposed to loopholes

19:25 opt in versus opt out systems

21:35 Kadrey v. Meta 

22:55 the burden placed on creators by the opt out system 

25:45 sporadic licensing deals and unclear remuneration standard

27:30 interoperability 

28:40 impact of robots.txt

31:15 Alan Robertshaw re: impact of AI on the practice of law

34:50 AI defamation cases

36:20 McGranaghan - need for lawyers regardless of AI

37:25 Robertshaw - legal professions’ varied approaches to AI

38:55 AI and astronomy

40:30 moral conflict with not compensating artists

43:00 justices/injustices related to AI

46:45 market harm created by AI

49:25 definition of justice 

53:05 protections that artists can use, e.g., robots.txt, metadata, units based protection, Glaze and Nightshade 

58:00 mark Patrick hopes to make around AI and art

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Cover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions 

Show Note: 

0:00 Nautilus Productions' Co-Founder Rick Allen gives the history of Allen v. McCrory - suit against NC over Allen's footage of the Queen Anne's Revenge Shipwreck 

1:20 SCOTUS’ 9-0 decision in Allen v. Cooper that the Copyright Remedy Clarification Act of 1990 (CRCA) was unconstitutional 

2:00 NC’s technical arguments against Allen’s claims 

2:55 court's use of pendant jurisdiction to wipe out 5 years of Allen’s case

3:45 petition for rehearing en banc denied 

6:45 states’ use of sovereign immunity against creators

8:50 Jeff Sedlik’s suit over use of his photo of Miles Davis as a tattoo  

9:30 Michael J. Bynum’s suit over Texas A&M University’s unauthorized use of Bynum’s 12th Man book (complaint here; dismissal of copyright infringement claims against A&M employee discussed here)

11:00 Allen’s recommendations to artists to protect their work online

13:35 Emily Gould’s discussion of LAION case 

17:00 Bartz v. Anthropic - 23 June 2025 Order on Fair Use in N.D. Cal.

19:50 Allen on opt out policy

20:20 Visual Artists Copyright Reform Act (VACRA)

21:00 Gould on survey by DACS (the Design and Artist’s Copyright Society) 

23:00 response to UK government’s consultations 

24:00 UK House of Lord’s hearings

24:30 Allen on artists not understanding impact of generative AI

26:00 Gould on UK judgment from trial in Getty v. Stability 

28:50 Gould on judgment in GEMA v. Open AI

31:55 Lauren Stein on ChatGPT and law school's encouragement to use AI 

33:00 Getty v. Stability in UK – Getty’s drop of direct infringement claim and appeal of ruling on secondary infringement claim

35:50 UK’s Section 9(3) - copyright protection for original work created by a machine

39:20 Stein on copyrightability and Japan’s approach to sufficient human authorship

41:40 Gould on Beijing Internet Court's judgment in Li v. Liu

42:05 Allen’s position on AI

44:00 Gould on authenticity and human contribution

47:35 Ed Newton-Rex 

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Photo of Zoë Buckman by Abbey Drucker

show notes:

1:10 background as a multi-media visual artist

7:00 Buckman’s dialogue with agency

9:25 her use of embroidery

10:40 filmmaking

11:00 Show Me Your Bruises, Then

14:25 exhibition at the Perez Museum 

18:50 power of art

22:00 Artist Tracey Ehmann  

23:45 exploration of personal issues in her work 

26:15 her work on Jewish personhood 

34:30 erasure and gaslighting of Jewish artists

37:00 show at Mindy Solomon Gallery 

41:00 Jewish people’s complicated relationship with the home

42:45 her definition of justice / injustice 

45:40 how her work addresses her view of justice / injustice

49:30 use of vintage textiles

51:45 coffee table book

52:45 2027 NY show

53:30 collaboration with Actress Cush Jumbo

54:50 the legacy Buckman hopes to make with her work

56:15 multiple truths she addresses in her work

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To learn more, please visit Ronnie Stephens' site and view his TEDx Talk

1:50 background of Ronnie’s “legacy journey” as a member of the Quapaw and Cherokee Tribes

3:30 1897 allotment of 240 acres to Stephens' great-grandfather

4:30 Quapaw Tribe’s relocation from Arkansas to Oklahoma 

6:30 McGirt v. Oklahoma, 140 S. Ct. 2452 (2020)

9:00 issues identified by Tribal Leaders

10:50 Dawes Commission and Burke Act

17:00 management of allotted land

19:25 Emily Gould – question about allotted land 

24:45 Keeping Traditions Alive exhibition

26:20 Killers of the Flower Moon rewritten with input from Osage Nation

27:55 Echo film involved input from Choctaw Nation

30:00 Alan Robertshaw–Prey-film with Native American heroine

31:55 Dark Winds series

33:30 policy shifts needed 

38:30 NAGPRA and its amendments

43:45 education needed for cultural sensitivity 

46:00 BBC Documentary: Rich Hall’s Inventing the Indian

49:20 Lauren Gowler–question about historic US federal laws

55:00 definition of justice 

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Here is more information about Alana Kushnir and Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers.

Show Notes:

1:45 update since Alana’s 2021 interview at Ep. 43

3:45 rebranding to Aurelian Lawyers & Advisers

5:00 LinkedIn posts by Alana and Guest Work Agency

8:00 antisemitism in the arts  

13:00 resignation from Australian Centre for Contemporary Art’s Board

13:35 Australian news article led to her public cancellation 

15:55 Serpentine Gallery's removal of her after 5 years as the lead on its research programme, The Legal Lab

20:00 steps forward to address hypocrisy in the arts sector

20:55 service on Jewish Museum of Australia’s board

21:40 her curation of Chutzpah: Spirit. Recollection. Self.

23:20 Georgian Artist Nina Sanadze's “Call to Peace” Series

27:40 Sanadze’s use of flowers from Bondi Massacre in future sculpture

30:30 Israeli-German Artist Elinor Sahm’s "Ha'layla"

31:30 Simm’s family archive used to show a Jerusalemite-Sepheradic “Hafla” (traditional celebration and gathering)

33:35 Alana's aim to bring back the depth of Jewish culture and history

37:25 Alana’s dream project to highlight the Jewish community's contribution to Australia's culture, especially Jewish women

39:30 education to bring together Jewish and non-Jewish communities

42:50 current relevance of the Holocaust

45:00 Jewish community from former USSR at the Bondi massacre

46:50 moral courage as a form of justice

48:00 legacy to create culture not fear, to emphasize integrity and loyalty 

49:15 her work with Arts Patron and Hospitality Icon Rinaldo Di Stasio 

50:05  Di Stasio’s commission of Artist Sean Gladwell for a moving image work in flagship restaurant, Di Stasio Città 

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