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2:30 Jonathan Petropoulos' Faustian Bargain: The Art World in Nazi Germany
2:50 Hartung’s 2005 book, Art Theft in War and Persecution
3:25 representation in 2014 of Cornelius Gurlitt regarding the Gurlitt Trove
5:20 Gurlitt exemplifies issues with Germany’s soft law towards art restitution
6:50 twelve works from Gurlitt Trove confirmed as looted
7:15 works from Gurlitt Trove with historical gaps in provenance
8:50 Germany’s task force – 5 million Euros
10:20 degenerate art in Gurlitt Trove
11:10 works on loan from private collections seized as degenerate
11:40 Paul Klee’s “Swamp Legend” from Sophie Küppers
13:30 Kandinsky’s “The Colorful Life”–Irma Klein / Lewenstein Family
17:10 Germany’s shift from advisory commission to an arbitration tribunal
22:30 restitution of “The Colorful Life"
23:40 "Blick in Ebene" by Paul Adolf Seehaus to Koppel heirs
24:10 Gibb's "Aeneas and his Family Fleeing Burning Troy" to Hartveld heirs
24:35 Sir Justice Moses, chair of UK’s Spoliation Advisory Panel
26:00 restitution-Waldmüller’s “Young Girl with Her Family” looted from Teresa Belthower; acquired by Nazi photographer Heinrich Hoffmann
28:00 looted art scandal at Bavarian State Painting Collections
30:50 suit over Friedrich von Amerling’s “Girl with a Straw Hat”
37:05 Emily Gould–restitution by Bavaria versus other German states
39:55 no formal restitution schemes in Spain and Belgium
41:25 whistleblower from Bavarian State Painting Collections
42:50 Markus Stötzel, attorney for Flechtheim heirs
44:00 Picasso’s “Madame Soler” taken from Paul von Mendelssohn-Bartholdy; Bavaria refused to accept its body’s restitution recommendation
47:20 Hartung’s view of justice
48:00 Germany’s arbitration system-public versus private holders of work
50:40 new framework’s guidelines-presumptions and burden
53:55 new framework’s guidelines-dealers and work on commission
55:50 Hartung’s hope to contribute to higher justice and remembrance
57:20 Stolpersteine 
1:01:55 Aluko, Stein & Gould 

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Cover Image: Wistuba's adaptation of work by artist Julie Wolfthorn for the cover of Jugend magazine (1898).

Show Notes

0:00 Silvia Wistuba on equality of artists

1:15 Wistuba’s background

2:30 Gabriele Münter

4:30 ‘Malweiber’ meaning 

6:00 timeframe of ‘Malweiber’ labeling – 1871-1918

8:30 research process

12:00 regional approach to research

15:00 twelve female artists focused on in research

16:30 finding that art is not gendered

18:15 Charlotte Corinth

21:30 Dora Hitz

22:40 Maria Slavona

24:25 Augusta von Zitzewitz

25:20 Erma Bossi

26:25 Elisabeth Epstein

27:23 Maria Franck-Marc

30:30 Gabriele Münter

32:25 Elisabeth Erdmann-Macke

34:25 Ida Gerhardi 

36:30 Fifi Kreutzer

37:55 Olga Openheimer

40:30 range of resources 

43:30 Blue Rider Group

45:30 Gabriele Münter’s donation to Lenbachhaus (Munich) 

49:00 Museum Art of the Lost Generation 

51:30 current relevance

53:30 need for discourse on art’s social context

55:08 social justice for artists of the past

55:20 defining justice as respect shown to all

56:25 feedback

58:10 challenging the sexist paradigm that art is gendered

59:40 plans to convert thesis into book

1:00:15 derogatory nature of term ‘Malweiber’

1:01:45 cover image inspired by Julie Wolfthorn’s image 

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Show notes:

0:00 Dr. Fiona Greenland discussing collabarative work with Curia co-founder Dr. Michelle Fabiana 

2:00 Dr. Michelle Fabiani's background

3:40 Dr. Greenland’s background

5:40 collaboration between Greenland and Fabiani

7:10 overview of Curia Lab

9:40 Informatics, the science of information

11:30 Syrian project - how robust and reliable data on scope of Syrian looting was with a review of remote sensing imagery 

15:10 participants in Syrian project  

17:20 Syrian project – evidence on whether there is a connection between Syrian civilian fatalities/casualties and cultural heritage looting

22:45 prelude hypothesis 

27:50 war in Ukraine and its effects on Ukrainian culture

32:00 how the data is used to inform accountability 

34:30 Greenland’s work with Conflict Observatory Ukraine

36:00 Ukrainians’ current restitution, reparations and accountability efforts

37:50 user guides for each area 

42:30 Fabiani’s PhD project on Egyptian archeological looting 

44:00 current project that builds on PhD project 

46:00 impact of technology on their approach, including disinformation 

50:00 complications created by AI, including generative AI

54:00 perspective of skepticism required 

56:30 online risks and need for mitigation

58:15 how their work speaks to justice

58:30 Miranda Fricker’s book Epistemic Injustice: Power and the Ethics of Knowing

1:02:30 questions of justice for whom 

1:05:30 Lauren Stein: question on the role of universities in Curia Lab

1:07:50 hope for their work to establish frameworks of cooperation and collaboration that cherish equal access to knowledge/information that would then lead to equal access to accountability 

1:09:10 hope for their work to facilitate a shift to a multi-disciplinary approach 

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SHOW NOTES:

0:00 artist & attorney Gina McKlveen

1:05 artist & retired judge Jerry Alonzo - the impact of depression

3:00 documentary American Symphony 

3:50 Suleika Jaouad - release she experienced by painting about cancer 

6:00 Alonzo’s “Out of Balance” 

6:40 “Civic Sacrement"

8:20 woodwork during Alonzo’s time as a judge 

9:00 “The Jury Box” 

10:45 “The Judgment” 

11:45 “Justice is God’s Plumb Line” 

12:30 Environmental works like “Monstronse”  

13:15 “Justice?” 

14:15 “Passage”

14:40 “Faltering”

16:00 “Arc”

16:25 asylum work inspired “Matthew 25” 

20:30 importance of leaning into the pain

21:35 Emily Gould’s comments

23:30 American Symphony - leaning into anxiety through art

26:25 McKlveen’s response to Alonzo’s work

26:45 “Upturned House” by Phyllida Barlow 

27:20 “Inflated Balloons” 

27:50 Carnegie International 

28:40 McKlveen’s work leaning into grief and loss

29:35 “Fisherman on the Roof” 

37:45 “Mermaid Mama”

39:25 “Stay Wild”

40:15 “Heather’s Mama”

42:00 McKlveen’s grandparents

44:50 portraiture versus still life works

47:00 other artists who created still life paintings as portraits, e.g., Van Gogh

48:30 Alonzo’s response to McKlveen

49:05 Gould’s response to McKlveen

49:45 Oluwatobi Aluko’s response

51:00 McKlveen’s planned portrait of grandmother with post box like Mona Lisa

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To learn more, please visit Father Harmon's site.

Show notes:

1:15 Harmon’s background and work as priest since 2008

2:10 teaching fine arts and being a pastoral resource at Loyola University

3:00 his work in the arts

8:20 history of art in Jesuit community 

12:00 Daniel Segers, Jesuit Priest and artist 

12:30  Harmon’s process as a painter in light of being a ‘work of service’

16:00 Harmon’s painting from pilgrimage through Spain

17:30 students’ responses

19:15 his attendance at New York Academy of Art  

23:30 Jerry Alonzo: how to communicate through your art

26:45 Pope Benedict XVI’s Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate 

28:20 definition of ‘sacred art’

30:30 seeking social justice through art

32:00 his work in Brownsville, TX connected to his art

33:00 his series of Catholic objects

35:30 his balance of time

37:25 Alan Robertshaw’s comments about all art being sacred

42:10 Tolkien and Flannery O’Connor on religious imagination

44:00 incorporating Catholic objects into his work

46:50 Emily Gould - spiritual impact of artwork/architecture/nature

49:15 Jarnick Vitters - importance of the physical objects to Harmon’s faith

51:00 Alan Robertshaw - subjective importance of objects

53:30 Yelena Khajekian - art as a sacred endeavor

54:40 Nnebundo Obi - interest in hearing about priest’s pursuit of other vocations 

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Show notes:

3:00 David Newhoff - question of authorship

7:15 Peter Wasilko

9:00 Andres Guadamuz - blog post on AI copyright authorship

10:30 China’s focus on “intellectual achievement” 

12:20 Section 9(3) of its Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 

13:00 Emily Gould - whether copyright is fit for purpose 

13:30 UK joint evidence session on the future of AI and copyright law 

17:15 Newhoff - use of an artist’s style 

18:40 Wasilko - an artist’s training of a model with its own work

20:15 artist's post-stroke gen-AI recording from model training on his work

21:00 Salles Bruins' question on definition of intellect 

25:40 - Ankit Sahni -  China’s protection

28:30 Sahni - India’s position on creativity falls in the middle 

29:00 Ankit Sahni - RAGHAV output “Suryast” 

33:45 Ankit Sahni - protection of AI-assisted works by China’s courts 

35:00 Wasilko - hypothetical of photographing sunsets on VR headsets

36:50 Ankit Sahni - USCO’s case by case basis

37:50 Newhoff - what is actually protectable against infringement

39:30 Sarony decision: looking at human choices used to create photos

41:00 Newhoff - ‘authorship by adoption’ is a “bridge too far”

42:15 Salles Bruins - question about training in Wasilko’s hypothetical

43:10 Wasilko - “bridge too far”-requiring license to “learn” from works

48:00 Stanford’s CodeX Group - talk on product JudgeAI 

50:30 Andres - human creativity exists irrespective of copyright 

52:00 Salles Bruins - copyright is a tool to enable artists to profit 

53:30 Kritika Sahni - defining intellect dependent on AI context 

54:50 Ankit Sahni - sui generis system of registration 

58:45 Gould - applying a right like copyright to output  "tough" to get right

1:02:00 Guadamuz - Ukraine’s sui generis right for AI works 

1:03:45 Jason Jean - defining intellect 

1:08:50 Newhoff - unconvinced that it’s a “sui generis question”

1:09:30 Wasilko - whether inputting human work makes model “assistive”

1:13:00 question of global copyright approach

1:17:15 what is the end game?

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Show Notes:

1:30 background in the law and tech 

4:45 overview of global framework “AI and Authorship Redefined: Towards a Global Copyright Framework for Commerce and Human Originality - Exploring Ownership, Infringement, Moral Rights, and Human Originality”

12:35 question of authorship

19:35 moral rights

26:30 viability of global copyright 

28:20 issues of injustice raised by AI

34:30 German study about developers’ infringement

38:00 public’s choice to lock up data 

39:00 The Congress 

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To learn more, please visit Amineddoleh & Associates LLC and view Leila Amineddoleh performing Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3.

Show Notes:

1:00 Amineddoleh’s background and work in music and law

4:00 Patty Gerstenblith 

7:00 building Amineddoleh & Assoc.

8:45 Amineddoleh's work with Greece 

10:00 perspective as musician aids in work as attorney to other artists 

11:00 Amineddoleh's experience with plagiarism 

14:20 Amineddoleh’s practice

15:45 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act

19:50 artists’ perspectives in hiring an attorney 

22:50 Jerry Alonzo: what brings artists to seek out Amineddoleh

26:00 return of golden coffin of Nedjemankh 

31:45 use of AI 

36:30 AI-assisted Beatles song 

37:45 analogy of photography to AI outputs

38:20 Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto 

39:45 suit over copyright of monkey selfie 

41:45 Thaler v. USCO 

44:30 Rupali Gujral: negotiating on a client’s behalf

48:30 Stefania Salles Bruins: history of art collecting

52:30 Bruins: Amineddoleh's balancing of legal and musical practices

54:00 Amineddoleh’s perspective on sharing her music and performing

56:30 Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2  played by Bugs Bunny 

57:20 Amineddoleh’s performance of Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3 

59:00 under-appreciated composer Brahms 

1:01:20 injustices in art law

1:04:30 Amineddoleh’s definition of justice - access

1:06:00 John Cage’s 4’33” 

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To learn more, please visit Frances Liddell's site.

Show Notes:
0:00 Frances Liddell on justice and technology
1:30 Liddell’s background
2:50 CryptoKitties
3:50 NFTs
5:20 ORAgen
& DECaDE research centre
7:20 C2PA
8:15 tokenized rights
9:45 ORA use cases
10:30 themes from ORA interviews
12:15 YouTube as a supportive platform v. TikTok
13:00 smart contracts and licensing
15:00 perspectives on attribution
16:30 Emily Gould question on attribution
24:50 animation sector with stronger preference for attribution not open source
26:45 interviews revealed uncertainty on data scraping
29:50 lack of awareness about the environmental impact of blockchain
31:50 repatriation and blockchain and her work as associate research fellow with
Art & Antiquities Blockchain Consortium
34:50 Balot NFT - Balot sculpture in Virginia Museum of Fine Arts 
37:30 ORA project status
38:15 ORAgen Fables
39:00 recommendations for creatives: to review C2PA & Content Credentials
41:00 Gould: responses during interviews about copyright concerns 
45:30 location of individuals interviewed
47:20 impact of tech on issues of injustice - benefits/concerns surrounding decentralization 
50:40 current work with ORA
51:30 Oluwatobi Aluko

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Show Notes:
1:00 Anki Sanhi
1:45 Sahni’s background and work
5:00 Eric Raymond’s The Cathedral and the Bazaar - essay on open source development
6:40 association with the arts
7:45 trademark enforcement work
10:00 infringement case between client working in fashion space sued by global brand
12:30 origin of the Raghav project
16:45 process to use Raghav
18:30 Van Gogh’s Starry Night
21:00 Raghav = Robust Artificially Intelligent Graphics and Arts Visualizer
21:45 Indian copyright application for “Suryast”
25:40 Section 2(d) of Indian Copyright Act, definition of author
34:30 Canadian copyright application for “Suryast”
35:35 Notice of Application filed in Canadian Federal Court by Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC)  against Sahni over “Suryast”
37:10 US copyright application for “Suryast”
37:35 Sahni’s US Counsel, Alex Garens, Esq. with Day Pitney
38:00 USCO decision on “Suryast”
43:30 India’s definition of ‘author’ - no qualifications
46:50 Parliamentary Standing Committee recommended creation of new right for AI works per Sahni’s recommendation
47:05 February 2024 -  Union Minister of State Commerce in India’s Parliament submitted that there is no need for creation of a new right and current legislation offers sufficient protection
48:45 ambiguity in Canada law on AI
49:40 USCO’s Request for Comments
52:00 Sahni’s position of need for amendment of US law to address AI
53:50 Optimus
54:50 Definition of justice
56:30 global harmonized principles on AI
57:30 injustice of humans unknowingly competing against AI due to historic suppression of AI use
59:00 Sahni’s intent to contribute to the change in law to address AI
1:00:00 consultation with Ryan Abbott, Esq.
1:00:50 Future projects 
1:02:20 shaping issues where art and law intersect
1:03:30 cultural impact of the debate over human authorship, AI and art
1:04:30 comparison of photography to AI

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