In this powerful episode of Ascend the Hill, Pastor Jeremy Austill and Pastor Gunnar Franks unpack the tension between legalism, cheap grace, and true holiness. With honest reflection, hilarious camp stories, and deep biblical insight, they explore Jesus’ words: “If you don’t carry your cross, you can’t be my disciple.”

Hear their take on:

• Why a “cheap grace” gospel can be more dangerous than legalism
• What it really means to live holy
• Why Jesus' truth still draws a line today
• And why sometimes, camp chaos leads to lifelong transformation

Whether you’re a parent sending kids to camp or someone navigating your faith walk, this episode is full of laughter, truth, and spiritual challenge.

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